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Huzige
30-08-2005, 05:48 PM
Up to two years ago, I rarely met any Singaporeans or Malaysians in places like CP. Now, they are becoming as common as Hongkees and Taiwanese. However, many (who are regulars here in SB forums) are beginning to comment on falling into traps like “getting the CP gong-tau” – I feel it is only appropriate that these brudders should be fore-warned to prevent much heart-aches that I’ve seen happened to many of the Taiwanese and Hongkees who have been cheonging in China much earlier, especially southern China. Indeed, I’ve seen a lot of these since my first visit to China in late 1983!

I want to start this thread for brudders to share their hard-earned experiences, so that “newbies” can avoid the same mistakes, and be more “street-smart.” Well, you can always mentioned it as a “friend’s experience” to protect the innocents, hehehe! And age has no bearing on definition of “newbie” since an old fart who has been around, but making first trip to PRC is still a “newbie” in my book.

Firstly, for the un-initiated, ALWAYS REMEMBER that despite all the bright lights, the BBSs, SNs, KTVs, etc etc that provide a façade of modern entertainments with seemingly endless numbers of MMs (mei mei) – at the end of the day, mainland China is still a communist (or they prefer to call it “socialist with Chinese characteristics) country, where the western laws as we know it do not apply. It may not appear so with all the MMs walking around towns like CP, but prostitution is illegal and China conducts periodic “Yan Da” to clamp down. Tough shit if you get caught with your pants down. And for your reference, because of the many “under-age” MMs at places such as BBSs, please visit this website to remind yourself of some of the possible consequences: http://www.ageofconsent.com/china.htm

Sorry, I digress… A Taiwanese friend in his 40s once asked: “How come when I hold hand with my wife, it’s like holding my other hand. But when I hold my China MM’s hand, I feel like an 18yo again?” Well, his feeling is not unique and that’s how most of my Singaporean and Malaysian friends of all ages feel too, explaining why so many of us who speak the language and thus no communication problem have such “kids in Disneyland” feelings in places like CP. To make it worst, China is so big - there are so many other similar places like CP all over China. As I always lament: so many MMs, so little time! And why would so many Chinese MMs getting into the game? Well, it’s all economics; I remember a MM I met in a top Club in Beijing who is a lawyer by training (and I checked it out!) but wasn’t shy in admitting that she is in it to make good money, as well as having lots of fun and meeting interesting people at the same time! Indeed, there is a Chinese saying: “?????“ (Afraid of being poor, but not afraid of being labeled a prostitute.)

Thus, the MMs’ primary objective is to relieve you of as much RMB/$$ as she can, in as short a time as possible. In the short term, some may even give the excuse to avoid staying over-night or leaving early in the morning, even though she promised to spend the night with you. Possible reason could be she is already “sponsored” with a monthly “retainer” but out to earn more spare cash. However, many will start playing the mental game with you to try getting you to pay her more, and converting you to “Instant ATM” for as long as she can. Indeed, I’ve known many Taiwanese friends who found subsequently to their horrors that they are not the only “ATMs” – the same MM has many “ATMs” at the same time – obviously a smart MM, who will probably be calling all the sponsors by the same name “Lao Gong?” Well, I call all my MMs “Lao Po” to keep them happy, but mainly because I can never remember all their names too!

So, this is the reason for this thread – What EXCUSES AND SCAMS by China MMs that you have heard or encountered in turning cheongsters into instant ATMs, or extracting more? I will start the ball rolling:
1. “Actually I’m new here. I was working in the factory, but my family needs money urgently, that’s why… I never had any boyfriend before and I feel so happy with you. But I’m not used to be here and really want to go home…”
2. “I never go out with customers, only sit with them for tips. What, you think all Chinese girls will go out with customers? You men are all the same, you think money can buy everything. Then again, I don’t usually talk so much with other customers – but with you it’s different – I can talk all kind of things with you – now you are my best friend, you know that, don’t you?”
3. “I don’t usually go out, but I’ll make an exception for you if you give me X,000 yuan. I know you Singaporeans are very generous – the last one I went out about three months ago gave me 3000 yuan for the night I spent with him.”
4. “I don’t care what you think about me, afterall I’ve no regret. But I really like being with you and not expecting anything from you. When will you be back?”
5. Take you shopping and somehow “stroll” into a goldsmith shop – and then encouraging you to buy the gold necklace for her – with comments like “ I can use it and it will retain value for rainy days….”;
6. Well, folks – that’s enough for me…. I’ll let other brudders to tell more stories…

Some brudders may said, “but she gave me such good service” – then by all means, give her “tips” – but don’t spoil the market, hor. And like my Taiwanese friend commented, it’s okay to “??” (feeling sea sick; good for ego) but don’t “??“(boat sank!)

Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Faidenk
31-08-2005, 10:11 AM
I cannot agree more with you.

An acquaintance I don't know very well is now on the verge of getting himself into deep shit. I just don't know how to go about warning him without appearing too nosy.

He's just been posted to China to head a rep office. On one of my trips I introduced to him a Chinese girl whom I met from a internet. No, I didn't do her, she's not my type. After I left, apparently they hooked up, I don't know who initiated it but I suspect it wasn't him.

It is now obvious to all, although he thought he's making good effort to conceal the fact, they are an item. Worse, she has been brought on board as his sales manager and paid an unheard of RMB15K, considering her last job paid only RMB3~4K. A month into the job, with no sales in sight, she's asking for commissions and incentives.

I think he's abusing his authority by subsidizing his girlfriend expenses by taking a lover on board the company. It's even worse if she can't perform, and I don't mean in the bedroom.

Second, it could mean a big mess if the relationship ever turns sour, both for him and the company. And this is an almost foregone likelyhood. I've seen spurned girlfriends bringing the gangsters into the negotiation for 'compensation for time lost'.

I don't feel guilty just because he met her through me, not in the least, but I think I have to at least warn him of the perils he's heading towards. We all know how touchy and sensitive this issue can be - warning a 50 year-old in the throes of his first (I believe) fling will fetch you as much attention as warning a in-puberty boy the dangers of excessive masturbation.

Maybe I ought to intro more women to him - once he sees the availability and the ease one can bed them, it might make him see the errors of his ways.

Sinoview
31-08-2005, 12:03 PM
Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Thanks bro for starting this thread, i think it should served many fellow bros here well.....

For those who want to find true love and feeling from the WL PRCs meimei the chances are veri veri slimm.... unless you are able to satisfy their needs fully and be by their side all the time. Even then, there is no gaurantee they wont cheat on you woh....

For those who give their MM 5to10k rmb per month ( in South China) please be prepared to share their mm and her time with someone else's hoh. An ok KTV mm working in towns of DG like CP, ZMT, HJ, Humen etc... can easily make between 10 to 20k rmb per month.

We have came across many "home cook food" 私家菜 in the chiong places like ktv n BBS very often. Where do they come from ? and why are they there ?
They are mainly "bao" mm by the hkeys n taiwanese who happen to be not in town. Earn more income loh... Many times, we have come across these mm telling us to keep quiet and on the volume of the TV when their "lao gong" called. 老公,我在家看电视. 我好想你噢 !!! Knn... in actual fact, she was wwwwwwbonking away.....

On top of that, approx 80% of these WLs have some form of teddy boy or
狼狗. These teddy boy generally do not work and are living of these mm.

So if we cannot give "enough" and do not have the time. Please be prepared for "time share"...if not better stay away.....

Huzige
31-08-2005, 02:06 PM
Although my thread was referring to the “working MMs,” obviously many “non-working” MMs also have their ways to turn their new found targets to instant “ATMs.” But don’t get me wrong, many of my friends are happily married to PRC MMs, who I have utmost respect for. But when a MM (irrespective of nationality) still throw herself to me after telling her I’m happily married is saying something about her characters and motives. Indeed, when a good-looking MM in her early/mid 20s throw herself at a mid-50s guy like me, I know it is definitely not my look that attracts her (despite her ego-boosting comments that she liked my matured look!)

My own observation is that the free ones are usually the most expensive ones. As someone recently commented at an outing in CP, “FOC” in this case is actually “Fcuk On Credit” because you will pay ultimately. For me, I usually tell a “non-working” MM that I’m married (even though I’m actually single) and it’s fair game then if she still wants to “pursue” an intimate relationship with me. Brudders who know me, know that I always carry a stack of Ang Pow (“red packet”) envelopes with me – I’ll give the MM one before I leave, the amount of which varies, depending on “performance” but definitely above the “market rate.” Some will “protest” – indeed, even “angry” by such Ang Pows – but somehow they all will accept it gladly when I told them it’s for them to buy themselves a gift since I’ve no time to go shopping for a present. Yes, it sounds mercenary – but it leaves my conscience free and we are together because we both want to have a good time with no string attached. Somehow, non ever said I’ve been taking advantage of her when I do want to “cool” off. Aiyah, you scratched my balls, I scratched your GG lor!

Faidenk, your acquaintance has probably committed the most stupid act of his life. But every man has to be responsible for his own actions. Unfortunately sometimes one has to learn the hard way. It’ll be tough for him to pull out of such situation – the best that could happen is to be transferred away, or even quit his job. I have heard of too many such stories when the guy’s little-head became the decision-maker – and the endings are usually ugly. Unfortunately, many young Singaporeans and Malaysians who have limited “luck” with girls back home, as well as the middle-age ones whose marriage is getting somewhat “monotonous” become easy targets when they get relocated to places where local MMs are extremely “friendly.” I agree with you – one way that friends can do is to introduce lots of MMs to them – it’s like MM-overload – so many that they will not know how to commit to one! That’s easy to do in places like CP, but maybe tough when working at a remote factory located in a village somewhere. Lonely nights away from family or "civilization" can make the mind goes bonkers ;)

marji
31-08-2005, 02:35 PM
Well, let me share my 2 cents worth...

this ktv chick try to 'scammed' me, maybe I looked nice and innocent! hehehe.... but unknown to her, I have been in the china scene way too long too....

She tried to asked me for a loan, using this excuse. Maybe I looked too stupid or this excuse really sucks!!

She: I have a friend who have a BIG BUSINESS. But now got a bit cash flow problem. He needs about 3000 RMB. BUT don't worry, he say he will put a DVD player which is worth 5000+RMB with you as mortagage. He will only take it back when he returns you the money.

Me: Fuck off.... (Alright, I didn't say that!) BUT I did told her straight in the face I am not interested.

just4fun
31-08-2005, 03:16 PM
Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Your 5 Fs are 金玉良言

Especially the last F - "Forget them"

I certainly do agree that most (if not ALL) WL MM are all way out for your 毛泽东 in your wallet...But there are some cheongsters (aka idiots) willingly falling their prey....offering their hard-earned money to them or even to their 狼狗...

I do have a "friend" (a business partner - a super idling and CBL 1) in suzhou... He managed to convince his wife to allow him to come to china on context of "working"...He abandone his wife and kids back in Singapore and everyday hanky panky with his "tao - tou" everyday...I even suspect (just suspecting - cos his wife is making tons of money back in Singapore) that his wife is supporting him financially so that he can use his wife hard-earned $$$ to feed his mistress...This is real bad.... :mad:

Anyway...I sometime feel very sad for those women (i.e our fellow cheongster's wife) back in singapore... :(

So I strongly urge all bros to cheong with our brains, dicks...But never with emotions...My gf alway tell me 肉体的背叛可以原谅,可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的

Anyway...Just my RMB 0.02 cents worth of thoughts

Sperminator
31-08-2005, 03:27 PM
I am glad that this thread is started.

It was last year while I was in Shenzhen working, and as I was still new in the SZ scene, I tend to explore alot, and found out about this place in Shang Sha, it's a massage palour decorated in Japanese style.

Once I've visited, and pretended to be a newbie, and was ushered into the massage room...

Of course, wanting the best treatment, I've asked for a VIP room (about RMB 149 for 2 hrs of massage).

An innocent looking girl came in... and asked me if she is alright.

ME: "Please come in"

Then, the whole scam started... initially, being a newbie myself back then, I believed everything she told me...

The things she say was, "Oh, never have I met such a nice man like you, where are you from?" Me,"Singapore" [Believe me, my dear brudders, if you say you're from foreign countries, the MMs will eye you like a hungry HAWK, and zoom into you!]

So, the conversation started smoothly, and we end up having sex together... (She even pretended to me that, she is not the type of massuer that could do it(SEX) -> Bullshit, most massage palours allow you to have sex for RMB 300)

In retrospect, I must admit, I was hooked to her young juicy cunt...

Upon calculations, I've actually went to visit her about 3 times a week! for a good 1 month! (boils down to (RMB 150 + RMB 300 tips) X 3 X 4 = RMB 5400!)

At a point of time, she even told me that, thanks to me, she is being positioned as one of the top massuers of her establishment...

Not the end yet...

Then one day, she called me, and told me about her stories, saying that she came from a very poor family, and that she always wanted to do business...

And invited me to her rented apartment near her workplace.

She told me that I am special, as she never invited any men to her place before, and it's some hongkee kind uncle that rented for her (From then on, I woke up from my wishful thinking and dream... question on my mind then was, who the hell so nice to rent for her?)

Yes, we did bonk on her place that nite, but I purposely didn't bring my condoms... and to my expectations, she brought one from the cupboards...

In fact, there was a few occassions when I've dated her, and she have already treated me like her lover... and even treated me dinner once... of course, with the profits generated from her top customer.

The feeling is GF feeling, yes, but at the end of the day, I have to be realistic to myself... this relationship will not work out!

And there are just too many questions about this SYT...

Soon after, I've decided to let this relationship go, no, I didn't feel anything bad... as I was also warned by my brothers in Shenzhen the dangers of MM, and there are occassions, after months I've not contacted her, she called and ask for a meet up... but hell no.

so, brudders, SPEND your RMB wisely... :cool:

Sinoview
31-08-2005, 05:43 PM
In retrospect, I must admit, I was hooked to her young juicy cunt... SYT

Upon so, brudders, SPEND your RMB wisely... :cool:

Many a times, newbies to PRC will be charmed by their young and innocent look and youthful age....and of course juicy cunt....

Many will have some sad stories to tell. Like coming she some from poor family, just here for a few days or weeks actually wanted to coninue her studies but home finances was bad....no choice have to come to work here unwillingly.... To be fair, some of these stories are true but..... once they have into the city and embarked on this line...they will never never go back to what they are before....

I have came across many such sob stories... In one incident, one of our bros was so nice and did actually gave that SYT a sum of money to "go home". And she did. This sweet cute sweet gal is 18 yrs old. They even communicated when she was back to her home town and thanking our nice bro for what she did....For a few weeks they communicated like true friends.... Then out of the blue she disappeared...and cannot be contactable.

The next thing we knew from the papasan is that she is back to work in CP. Our bro met her and confrontated. Her answer was simple " i think this place offer me better future. I hv no future back in my home town".

The morale of the story is that once these gals step onto the "bright light" and tasted the easy money...they ll never never be the same again... They will be backed for more....$$$....

So bro. dont waste effort and money trying to help them .... unless u can give them more $$$ than what they could earned as a WL.... No way, they will settle for anything less..... It's all $$$ talks....

As what bro Huzige trying to put it's 笑贫不笑倡..in the PRC culture.....

anikin
31-08-2005, 05:53 PM
very good & useful thread bro.

sometimes, for matters of the heart, the brain becomes useless & the heart takes over ... if not careful, you can be literally eaten alive in PRC! this thread should prove to be a very good guide & reminder for cheongsters new & old ...

one other thing to remind ourselves: i know for sure i'm not young or handsome anymore. i look at the mirror, i see a familiar face. not bad hor, like 10 or 20 yrs ago leh. but once i see a photo of myself, fucking hell, how come it's worse off than the mirror???!!! i believe our brain is trained to only interpret what is nice to ourselves. so other than our $$, what is there for the MM to get from our aging body & soul??? even for those in their 20s or 30s, this will be same.

so have to be realistic lah brudders ... it's a game & we should just get whatever shiokness we want from it. anything more may be a bonus. but don't expect more ... expect more & be prepared to pay more!!!

rock on bros ... :cool:

somebody99
31-08-2005, 06:32 PM
Your 5 Fs are 金玉良言

Especially the last F - "Forget them"

I
So I strongly urge all bros to cheong with our brains, dicks...But never with emotions...My gf alway tell me 肉体的背叛可以原谅,可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的

Anyway...Just my RMB 0.02 cents worth of thoughts

i like this phrase : 肉体的背叛可以原谅,可是心灵的背叛是不可以原谅的...
thank you for that, bro!
i can always use that to 安慰自己。hahaha.....
me still got a long way to learn how to say "NO"!
sigh.....
anyway, most of us will learn the hard way tho'.....

rgds,

somebody99
31-08-2005, 06:55 PM
I have came across many such sob stories... In one incident, one of our bros was so nice and did actually gave that SYT a sum of money to "go home". And she did. This sweet cute sweet gal is 18 yrs old. They even communicated when she was back to her home town and thanking our nice bro for what she did....For a few weeks they communicated like true friends.... Then out of the blue she disappeared...and cannot be contactable.

The next thing we knew from the papasan is that she is back to work in CP. Our bro met her and confrontated. Her answer was simple " i think this place offer me better future. I hv no future back in my home town".

As what bro Huzige trying to put it's 笑贫不笑倡..in the PRC culture.....

eh? our honourable CO sinoview, ur story sounds familar leh.... u not talking about me hor? hahahaha....
dun tink it's me lah hor? i only gave her some money + a train ticket home(the bed ones cos dun wan her to stand 20 hrs +++, so poor thing...)
for my side, i always tell myself that if i can help, & it's within what i can do, i will try to do so... i cannot help everyone, cos everyone got their own stories.

我的宗旨是: 让我见到的,我能帮就帮,但是要在我能帮的范围内。要是超过的话,我就会对她说:对不起,我只能帮你到这样 ...i will feel better then...

as what happens after that i dun care liao, cos i've already guided her to a new path, and if she decided to turn back to where she started from, then it's also ok loh, cos i did what i think it's good for her liao, it's her own life...
家家有本难念的经,人人有张看不见的A片嘛!呵呵呵...

anyway, i always believe this:

just follow your heart... as long as it makes you feel good...
it'll do good to your karma. :)

rgds,

Sean_c
31-08-2005, 07:09 PM
There r so many fishes in the pond... why stick to one?

Sinoview
02-09-2005, 01:46 PM
China is a society where modern media create a demand for consumer items such as hand phone, branded goods etc, prositution is "the only realistic quick route to a better standard of living".....

Many of these meimei started out to make "something more of her life"... But once they are in it.... they will not be able to do a "humble" job back home....

mrkent
02-09-2005, 04:02 PM
eh? our honourable CO sinoview, ur story sounds familar leh.... u not talking about me hor? hahahaha....
dun tink it's me lah hor? i only gave her some money + a train ticket home(the bed ones cos dun wan her to stand 20 hrs +++, so poor thing...)
for my side, i always tell myself that if i can help, & it's within what i can do, i will try to do so... i cannot help everyone, cos everyone got their own stories.

我的宗旨是: 让我见到的,我能帮就帮,但是要在我能帮的范围内。要是超过的话,我就会对她说:对不起,我只能帮你到这样 ...i will feel better then...

as what happens after that i dun care liao, cos i've already guided her to a new path, and if she decided to turn back to where she started from, then it's also ok loh, cos i did what i think it's good for her liao, it's her own life...
家家有本难念的经,人人有张看不见的A片嘛!呵呵呵...

anyway, i always believe this:

just follow your heart... as long as it makes you feel good...
it'll do good to your karma. :)

rgds,

wow.. ur a nice guy somebody.. good hearted.. props to u.


and as for just4fun, does ur gf know u fuk hookers?

junction88
03-09-2005, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE=Huzige]
I want to start this thread for brudders to share their hard-earned experiences, so that “newbies” can avoid the same mistakes................

The best medicine or antidote to treat such scams is be harden your mind and heart.

When tackling MMs, you would normally used a lots of silver bullets, charms & emotions till you get them. As soon as you sensed something amid that she would makeup story wanting to ask for more money, you need to put a stop, you too can also makeup your own story such like you are not a big CEO or big short here, tell her that you are in debt back home with family to feed and take care, all the cock and bull stories that you think of, the point is to tell her that you are not that rich as she would think and that would give yourself a good excuses of not give her further financial support or lend her money, off course you have to prepare that she might also drop you. There are a lots of fishes in the pond, why settle for one !!!

Whenever I meet up with MMs, I never give out my business card, reasons being I do not want them to know where I am working and my job position. As soon as I can sensed that the gal is fond about me and I am interested in her, the standard SOP would apply till I get her, then I would start to tell her that I am married, no money and in debt and I am just looking for companionship here becos I am lonely, I will not marry anyone or buy you houses. You may surprised, most gals like this type of men as they felt some kind of loyalty and security.

合则来, 不合则散。That is my principle. It works quite well for me since I am able to have few GFs within the 2 yrs span here. If I get bored or the gal is too pester to me, I just need to wait till they make a mistake causing me upset, then I will sacked them, tell them to FO and never return to them anymore…..You must tell yourself, never pickup their calls or reply their SMS.

It is easiest to say then done. Yes, we all know that, harden your mind and heart. That's the medicines.

Just my Rmb 2-cents.

Cheer !

just4fun
03-09-2005, 01:54 PM
wow.. ur a nice guy somebody.. good hearted.. props to u.


and as for just4fun, does ur gf know u fuk hookers?

I do cheong KTV...but i dun f*** hookers...

anyway...can be forgiven doesn't mean that u hv to do it then ask for forgiven...I seldom try the system....

Hanxinco88
03-09-2005, 03:41 PM
Bros, been in the china scene for quite a while now and realise that most scams actually comes from gal who work in KTV, sauna etc....but not necessary so.....

Basically I have a very strong sense of belonging to China after just 6 years of living there, met many different type of gals but in my opinion Chinese women are better wives, lovers and business partners. They are bright and intelligent and understanding of the " Ying Chow" ( entertainment stuff that men had to go through in business and are very shrewd and quick thinking. Many of my friends who married chinese wives are millionaire( RMB) now....

I do agree that some bad hats are out for your money...but not only that, they are out to get a passport out of the country....an unstable so called "commuinist state" where the rich become richer while the poor stays as poor.

Put yourself in their shoe, if you are so poor that all your brother and sisters share the same trousers througout the year and that you onli have one blanket for the whole family to go thorugh the -20 degree winter ...( sorry but forget to tell you that I had been staying in northern china all these while)

I am not asking bros here not be wary of the Chinese MMS, but must not use a bamboo and hit off the whole ship ( hehe translated from a chinese saying)....meaning no stereotyping, treat each MMS you came across objectively.


Just my liang mao qian contribution.....

Cheers

junction88
03-09-2005, 04:22 PM
If you are not looking for wife or life partner as primary objective here, then having relationship could be just pure "Trading", they trade body for dollars, and you get the pleasure of the enjoyment, for that amount of money you spent on them here would not be able buy the same back home, or you dare not to do that back home becos Silypaw is so small and easily perchek lobang 破空头.

Cheat and being cheated is part and parcel of our life, got to learn and move on....bo pian.

Nonetheless, this is a good thread where you get to read positive and negative feedbacks and advises.

Cheer !

Shutruk Nahunte
03-09-2005, 06:28 PM
Brothers :

It seems that many of us have very similar experiences with the mainland Chinese MMs. The common thread here is that most of us want to do the right thing and help out people who are less fortunate than us. However, in 101% of the cases, we get screwed in turn and we get so soured by it that as one brother said "harden your heart" and so if there will in future be a genuine hardship case, too bad! This exactly happened to me!

hamlinlau
04-09-2005, 03:03 PM
Well, let me share my 2 cents worth...

this ktv chick try to 'scammed' me,\

Me: Fuck off.... (Alright, I didn't say that!) BUT I did told her straight in the face I am not interested.

Did you ngiak her 1st before letting go... hahahahaahahah how are you brother

jon2000sg
04-09-2005, 08:49 PM
hi all Bros,

this is a good thread; after went through 4 relationships
with PRC MMs, whom all are very pretty which I think I
would have no chance to get any of such in Singapore.

my flirtation with MMs started about 3 years back where I was
a newbie, and the emotional and finianical lost from the 1st MM
have taken me 2 years to recover.
currently I'm with my 4th MM and I'm playing
it safe. Do or die, if she squeezes me, I'll drop her.

myself is a bachelor and it's an attraction to them
for they want to marry abroad esp. Singapore.

to all newbies, dun fall into the same trap as I did,
read this thread and think about your $$$ before
letting it go to MMs.

these are the things all MMs looking for:
1) CASH - $money$, the basic of all !
2) marriage - to earn a longevity passport
to stay in Singapore to be in this trade.
ultimate motive to use the Singapore passport
to go US and UK where the exchange rate is higher.
3) if no marriage, then a maintenance fee of RMB$5K-10K/mth

to all Bros, it's time that the world wake up to the perils of China MMs
as they are a threat to the regional security and peace to all.
They have created havoc to families, broke-up families and of course rob
us of our hard-earned $money$.

my current philosophy:
1) give them what they deserve - no tipping
2) drop them when they start asking for a huge sum
of $money$ or con you when shopping
3) as long as there are MMs, need not stick to one;
if you stick to only one, you are in a dangerous position
where your emotion will sure take over your big head.
MMs are different, they get fucked by different men
daily, so men to them are only $money$ generating
creatures; no emotion involved.
4) if MM start calling you 'lau gong', you tell them
'lau gong' and 'lau po' fuck dun need $$$, see wat
the reaction !


.jon

Mekatulia
04-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Here's my own experience.

Case 1.
Although not in China, but I find that it is still relevant. Location - Hat Yai. For those SB forumers from the old Delphi, would probably know that I put up a very comprehensive FR on my exploits in HatYai. I got "hooked" onto this girl, who is probably my best find in HatYai. After visiting her a few times, and on the 2nd time that I even specifically tried to get her before hand to let her know that I was coming to HatYai, sort of made her my defacto girlfriend whenever I was in HatYai. I never paid her more than the standard price, and personally, I really do think that she belongs to the "model" category at Heritage SC, but since she was from one of the normal house at Channivet. After visiting her a few times, we corresponded through phone as well, but I was cautious enough not to make it excessive on my phone bill. Gradually, she began to pour her woes and say that she need $$. She didn't need to say much, personally, I don't need to hear her reasons, if I decided to help her, I will. I TT money to her on 2 occassions, small sums to me actually, total not more than SG 300, but gradually, somehow I got very busy, and beginning to venture to new playing grounds, that's in China, and I didn't head back to Hat Yai anymore. Gradually, I believe she must have moved on as well, and she didn't call me to ask for more money.

The main sweet words that she often use when she sms me - "Darling....."

Case 2.
Not so long ago, and also not my first trip to CP, I met up with this girl. On this particular trip, I was doing pretty well!! All the girls that I have met, absolutely I cannot fault on any of them. This particular girl I met her at Li Cheng Jia Ri Hotel KTV. Initially, I got another girl to sit with me, but when she came in, I had to have her, because for 3 things, which is all my weak spot.
1. She is relatively tall as compare to most girls
2. She got big boobs
3. She resembles Faye Wong
What a deadly combination. Although I only had her for 1 night, we kept in contact via QQ. And as usual, she kept asking me when I will go back and visit her etc. As I was damn far away, in Melbourne, visiting her is the last thing on my mind really. She told he she will be going back to her home town, Sichuan. Before going back to Sichuan, there was a short period of time she quit working at Li Cheng, and worked at a factory at Hengli where she lives. At that time, she told me she is no longer getting the same high pay that she receives at Licheng, and her family needs $$. Again, soft hearted, I helped her, again, to me, it is within my limites, I TT to her AUD 200 which is roughly at that time, RMB 1,500. But the whole experienced was pretty sour, because it was not my intention to delay the whole process, I have to go thru 1 of my chinese contacts in Melbourne to be able to transfer the money as I do not have a bank account. When she didn't receive it, she blamed me for making her old father walk all the way to the bank and returned empty handed.

The main sweet words that she used in our conversation - Nothing, she didn't say anything sweet, she is simply cool, ice queen. But I was already a sucker for her deadly 3 combinations anyway, so she needn't say anything further. :P

Case 3
On my most recent trip to southern China, got to know a girl. Basically, what attracted me most was her pair of amazing hooters. Somehow on the 1st time, everything was near perfect, 9/10. The 2nd day I got her, she was absolutely up to par again, so much so that I was deliberating if I should call her again when I am back, I have to travel away from southern China towards further inland then back again. Finally, I decided that since the first 2 experiences was so great, I decided to meet up with her again when I am back. The 3rd time I see her, it started off quite well. She told me that she was not working or did she absent herself from work, I don't know. However, she started to hint to me if I would like to take a walk, and strangely, the location of our hotel, there is nothing to walk and it is quite a distance away from the shopping area, plus it was already after dinner and quite late. I didn't take too much notice of that, and by the time we get into action, it was totally different. Of course, she left in a huff without asking me for any compensation whatsoever. To me, my greatest regret is actually the time wasted!! I could've tried other MMs!!

The sweetest words that she used - "Why is it that when I am with you, I just want to make love?"

Personal Conclusion
Lessons learnt - However handsome you are, they only recognise 1 face, the most handsome face in China, Comrade Mao Ze Dong's face on a red background piece of note. (RMB 100) As long as you have that, the girls will also think that William Hung will be William Hunk.

I do have guy friends borrowing money from me, and without questions ask, I will lend it to them if I have the spare cash. I do not discriminate in that sense. However, my philosophy towards lending money would be:
1. If you are prepared to lend it, be prepared that it will not be returned.
2. Do not need to ask for the reasons, because in any case, it might be just a story to tug at your heart strings.

I generally believe that if you treat someone genuinely, you will meet up with good people. I have met really good people, and become really good friends through the forum and through the most unsual and unconventional circumstances. But when it comes to dealing with China MMs, really, it does not matter how old you are, but if you are the first time cheonging in China, it can be quite overwhelming by the "preference treatement" that you will receive.

I should knock myself on the head, because despite my relatively young age, I have been to southern China on quite a few occassions, and by Huzige's definition, I would be considered an old hand. I didn't think that I fall into a trap, I knew what I was doing, and I did evaluate whether I should help or not. It was within my means, and I am confident that anything that is beyond my limits, I would have not lend the money to those 2 girls stated in Case 1 and 2.

Other sweet words that girls have used and did leave a lasting impression on me - "Only you have made me cum so much..." said with tears flowing at the corner of her eye...

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 01:28 PM
I think he's abusing his authority by subsidizing his girlfriend expenses by taking a lover on board the company. It's even worse if she can't perform, and I don't mean in the bedroom.

Second, it could mean a big mess if the relationship ever turns sour, both for him and the company. And this is an almost foregone likelyhood. I've seen spurned girlfriends bringing the gangsters into the negotiation for 'compensation for time lost'.



No offence bro, I hope your bro dun get the sack from the shareholders and get his well deserved lesson from this experience. You mean well by intro a lady to him. But never bring such relationship into work. Not professional at all. I really hope that You can further advise him or this. Hope this is not a point of no returning for him.

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 01:55 PM
It is easiest to say then done. Yes, we all know that, harden your mind and heart. That's the medicines.

Just my Rmb 2-cents.

Cheer !

Bro, I think I have already attained the harden your mind and heart 境界, bros who know me are aware of my chionging style, till I met up with my wife from fuqing. :) Btw Can I ask bros here a Q? I observed that relationship with a China WL is more risky then the Thai WLs. Because when we, local men befriend china counterpart, our first wall has been removed easily. (The language barrier) Most of us knew at least some chinese before venturing there. Those involved with Thai ladies have more difficulty in mastering their language. Therefore they can easily give up at this stage. As for the chinese counterpart, since the first wall has been cleared, the men's defense will be gradually infiltrated in due course. Any advise? :)

jon2000sg
05-09-2005, 02:07 PM
well I agree with you bro, the lauguage which is the communication tool
is always how all these MMs come to slaughter us, esp. the newbies.

my experience with Thai WL is they are less greedy and only take what is
rightfully theirs and they dun rob us. They prefer us to visit them often.

for MMs, some shrewd ones do their homework and can make up very powerful sweet lines to turn us on. they put in lots of effort to pretend and act to make believe.

the world shld wake up to the perils of MMs robbing us of our $$$ and bringing them back for their idle hubby and families. Glad for the raids in
GL have gathered us back some $money$ back to the country.
I MM caught == SG$1000 back to Singapore.

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 02:43 PM
well I agree with you bro, the lauguage which is the communication tool
is always how all these MMs come to slaughter us, esp. the newbies.

my experience with Thai WL is they are less greedy and only take what is
rightfully theirs and they dun rob us. They prefer us to visit them often.

for MMs, some shrewd ones do their homework and can make up very powerful sweet lines to turn us on. they put in lots of effort to pretend and act to make believe.

the world shld wake up to the perils of MMs robbing us of our $$$ and bringing them back for their idle hubby and families. Glad for the raids in
GL have gathered us back some $money$ back to the country.
I MM caught == SG$1000 back to Singapore.

Tks~ for your reply, my GL bro. Keke~ While, although my wife is a chinese ordinary MM, I heard some true incidents when she related her good friends' stories to me. As my wife is from southern side, I just relate some of the interesting ones that she told me.

Just a WORD OF CAUTION: Dun underestimate those MMs from the countryside, they can be deadly as well. Some of her sisters, from FZ, FJ and putian.... they are well-informed of the neighbouring countries progress and happenings, eg. like japan, korea, HKG, taiwan and SGP. Some yearn to find foreign husbands there, get their citizenship status and fled back to their hometown or to UK or europe countires. So it is not astounding to know that these MMs have boyfriends in their hometown. Some 狼狗s even tend to get allowances from their gerfrds whom are married overseas. When their gerfrds returned on special days like CNY, national day etc. The boyfriends treated them splendidly as if they were long lost lovers. Sometimes they didn't practise safe sex and get conceived after the MMs are back to the husbands. They claimed the child belong to their husband and this auto-qualify the citizenship for both the mother and the child. Once the MMs get what they wanted, they dumped their old husbands. It's cheerless but a true case.

For those who can't afford to pay for such overseas marriage upfront, they depended on those expatriate who is attached back in china. These MMs will dish out their emotional backmail tactics and these shows how capable they are.

Sinoview
05-09-2005, 02:44 PM
for MMs, some shrewd ones do their homework and can make up very powerful sweet lines to turn us on. they put in lots of effort to pretend and act to make believe.

the world shld wake up to the perils of MMs robbing us of our $$$ and bringing them back for their idle hubby and families..


Chinese in generally are shrewd business people... Look at what the Chinese control enconomically in South East Asia will tell how good these chinese are. Our fore father all come here empty handed....you know....

The modern Chinese i think are even more shrewd than us ...having been depressed for so long under the communist rule...

Thus compared them to WL fm other ASEAN countries, these Chinese MM really know what they wanted here. And their appetite are insatisfable. No matter how deep is yr pocket is... if not careful will be empty out in no time....

jon2000sg
05-09-2005, 03:03 PM
Tks~ for your reply, my GL bro. Keke~
Sometimes they didn't practise safe sex and get conceived after the MMs are back to the husbands. They claimed the child belong to their husband and this auto-qualify the citizenship for both the mother and the child. Once the MMs get what they wanted, they dumped their old husbands. It's cheerless but a true case.

These MMs will dish out their emotional backmail tactics and these shows how capable they are.
hey bro, this is indeed dangerous, maybe someone should publish a book
and let the world wake up to the perils of MMs.

I once heard a story about a MM from Hunan, this MM is an ordinary
working job MM, not a WL; she worked here for 3 years and married a local,
after marriage she refuse to open her legs to her husband, thus husband
wants a divorce and MM demanded SG$50,000. So hubby no choice but to give lo...

Even ordinary MM can do such deed, let alone WL MM, they are here to
slaughter !

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 03:18 PM
hey bro, this is indeed dangerous, maybe someone should publish a book
and let the world wake up to the perils of MMs.

I once heard a story about a MM from Hunan, this MM is an ordinary
working job MM, not a WL; she worked here for 3 years and married a local,
after marriage she refuse to open her legs to her husband, thus husband
wants a divorce and MM demanded SG$50,000. So hubby no choice but to give lo...

Even ordinary MM can do such deed, let alone WL MM, they are here to
slaughter!

Sadly but true, this shrewd ones really can engage in mind games very well. Anyway the husband can't force himself on the wife if she do not consent it, right? As for the MM who I just related in my last message, she already dumped the husband after receiving the Japan citizenship, leaving the child with that poor old chap. She has obtained a substantial amount of money (?? Million Yen) and flew to UK, and dumped her boyfriend in her hometown as well. How ironic. :(

marji
05-09-2005, 03:28 PM
Did you ngiak her 1st before letting go... hahahahaahahah how are you brother

(Translate in Chinese) "Rather kill wrongly, then to let off wrongly!!" heheheh
what do you think? sure makan 1st lah! heheheh

I am getting better here now.... getting to know more people and places.

Of cos I can pop over to heavenly BJ when I am shit bored here in TJ!! hahah

sadfa
05-09-2005, 03:45 PM
BUT don't worry, he say he will put a DVD player which is worth 5000+RMB with you as mortagage. He will only take it back when he returns you the money.


prc dvd where got 5000+rmb.
bro, she must think u orange skin, very skinny n got green crew cut hair.

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 03:59 PM
prc dvd where got 5000+rmb.
bro, she must think u orange skin, very skinny n got green crew cut hair.

That DVD player must be made fby Shinco. :p Her private videos included inside the player. :)

marji
05-09-2005, 04:01 PM
Since so many bros shared their story, I should not be pai seh and share 1 episode too...

This happened in 2000 when I was very young and sent to work in BJ. After about 3a couple of months there, met this model chick who was absolutely gorgeous!! Imagine this, back then in 2000, Ceceilia Chuang (Zhang Po Zhi) was the poster girl for Canon in HK. This model chick is the poster girl for Canon in BJ. Her face can be seen all over BJ in giant poster!

Met her thru' a friend in a club and made my move. Back then I don't have my own apartment and was living in a very nice 5 star which I called home for 18 months in BJ. Woo her with all my charm, effort and energy! After few months months of wooing she finally agrees to be my GF on my birthday.

Sounds like a perfect love story til she moves in with me in the hotel. As she works as a model, she has so much free time! I go to work she will still be sleeping. when I am back she will be out shopping or coffee with friends, etc... whats terrible is that she will order room service for every meal when she living with me. Thats not a big deal back then, cos I am on a great expat package. REALLY BLINDED BY 'LOVE'.....

Then come the trips... I brought her to HK, SG, Shanghai....
Shanghai = she bought RMB30,000 of clothes (excluding other expenses!!)
HK = All in all she spent HKD 40,000 off me
SG = Spent about SDG$11,000

I seriously thought nothing of these money as I really liked her... well she was really gorgeous, and she can really f**k!!!

Then came the wake up call... I have to be posted to another city. She asked me what should become of us then? I said why don't you come with me? She said are you marrying me? I said hell NO! I am too young! Then the next day she just move out! She don't answer my call and then after about 1 week, one of her close friends who is really close to me because I was really nice to her too told me she has moved in with another man who is like really rich! I was stunned! just 7 days ago she was my gf and now she just simply moved on after spending all my time & money PLUS knowing I will not marry her!

Now, me also old bird liao in the China scene.... only I bluff girls, no girls can bluff me.... My trick? ALWAYS BE HARD HEARTED NO MATTER WHAT!

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:05 PM
When she didn't receive it, she blamed me for making her old father walk all the way to the bank and returned empty handed.

"Only you have made me cum so much..." said with tears flowing at the corner of her eye...

bro,

1. when u give them money, i take it u never fuck them in return?
2. if someone give me free money, i will walk to the bank n return 1000 times.
3. the cuming part is pure crap. if the charbor tell me that, i will burst out laughing.

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:06 PM
That DVD player must be made fby Shinco. :p Her private videos included inside the player. :)

hahaha! shinco! i think put your original dvd, come out become pirated version liao. hahaha!

5000 rmb? hahaha!

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:19 PM
Then came the wake up call... I have to be posted to another city. She asked me what should become of us then? I said why don't you come with me? She said are you marrying me? I said hell NO! I am too young! Then the next day she just move out! She don't answer my call and then after about 1 week, one of her close friends who is really close to me because I was really nice to her too told me she has moved in with another man who is like really rich! I was stunned! just 7 days ago she was my gf and now she just simply moved on after spending all my time & money PLUS knowing I will not marry her!


dumping her is a good thing. this kind of charbor cannot keep.
plus if she can find a filthy rich man in bj so fast (although there r many rich men but suitable one not easy), she may be 2 timing u all the way.

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 04:31 PM
hahaha! shinco! i think put your original dvd, come out become pirated version liao. hahaha!

5000 rmb? hahaha!

I check with my wife, she said 1000RMB can buy shinco (新科) entertainment system liao. LoL~

Ps: Knn, my wife forced me to buy shinco products which was refused violently by me. :mad: Now I'm gg to collect my serviced Shinco DVD player in tannery road. How ironic. :D

marji
05-09-2005, 04:36 PM
dumping her is a good thing. this kind of charbor cannot keep.
plus if she can find a filthy rich man in bj so fast (although there r many rich men but suitable one not easy), she may be 2 timing u all the way.

i don‘t think she did 2 timed me because we spent so much time together! almost most of the time! so don’t think she can spilt herself to 2 time me。

but what i am certain is that there must be a long Q waiting in line to be her next BF!!!

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 04:37 PM
dumping her is a good thing. this kind of charbor cannot keep.
plus if she can find a filthy rich man in bj so fast (although there r many rich men but suitable one not easy), she may be 2 timing u all the way.

Aiyah, in BJ or SH, the richer wins the rich. The richest wins both of them hands down. In the end the PRC MM won the game. All the three lose. :(

marji
05-09-2005, 04:38 PM
prc dvd where got 5000+rmb.
bro, she must think u orange skin, very skinny n got green crew cut hair.

didn‘t say its PRC DVD! maybe its other brand what!

just went to check out a BOSE DVD player! rmb 35,000!!! still thinking to buy or not to buy!!!

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 04:41 PM
i don‘t think she did 2 timed me because we spent so much time together! almost most of the time! so don’t think she can spilt herself to 2 time me。

but what i am certain is that there must be a long Q waiting in line to be her next BF!!!

Bro, maybe you are aware of those sleeping/domain volcanos. These boyfrds of them always lie low when their gerfrds gg for a kill. Like those hotwife/hotgerfrds style, but more vicious. :)

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:44 PM
just went to check out a BOSE DVD player! rmb 35,000!!! still thinking to buy or not to buy!!!

bro, if they can afford to buy branded dvd player, they willing to pledge to u for 5k rmb? go n sell, can fetch a higher price liao!

anyway never buy bose.

if u like lifestyle product, buy b & o (bang n orgasm).
the tag mclaren top loader not bad but a bit old.
u really want mega bucks, go for meridian or theta.

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:47 PM
I check with my wife, she said 1000RMB can buy shinco (新科) entertainment system liao. LoL~



actually shinco n those cheapo products r good becos they can read shitload of diff dvd codes n have many features. spoil liao, just throw. but of course quality not so good lah!

anyway all products from big brands also will spoil. repair very expensive.

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 04:50 PM
actually shinco n those cheapo products r good becos they can read shitload of diff dvd codes n have many features. spoil liao, just throw. but of course quality not so good lah!

anyway all products from big brands also will spoil. repair very expensive.

Sometimes muz support china brands rite? Furthermore china national day coming. Must gibe support mah. :p

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:50 PM
i don‘t think she did 2 timed me because we spent so much time together! almost most of the time! so don’t think she can spilt herself to 2 time me。

when i spend time with them, i also dont think they can split.
but once my big heart operatin, knn! i think definitely im only a time share member.

no doubt got long queue, but findin one man suitable for her also not easy.

anyway if she so fast can find, either she 2 timing or she very fast release on market n can find a top buyer.

these charbor, can forget lah! fuck n forget! 10 yrs from now, when u marry someone better, all her looks will be gone, see what she can do.

sadfa
05-09-2005, 04:52 PM
Sometimes muz support china brands rite. Further china national day coming. Must gibe support mah. :p

tell her gibe support n support prc economy by fucking a few prc chicks.
see what she say.

anyway prc damn proud of their guo chan (national products). say spore no good, prc cheaper. i cant take it, i always suan them n they buay tahan. hahaha!

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 04:58 PM
tell her gibe support n support prc economy by fucking a few prc chicks.
see what she say.

anyway prc damn proud of their guo chan (national products). say spore no good, prc cheaper. i cant take it, i always suan them n they buay tahan. hahaha!

I don't think I can tell my wife that man. I still intent to see tml sunshine lay. :D Maybe when her SH sister comes SGP, I tell her that. :)

mahalosux
05-09-2005, 06:30 PM
As someone recently commented at an outing in CP, “FOC” in this case is actually “Fcuk On Credit” because you will pay ultimately. For me,

hehe tat was me....

acatually y fcuk on credit? well my side of story

I happen to know this gal at a XX KTV abt 2 yrs back. The feeling she give me is very lovey dopey kind.. well, collect her number on my first trip at KTV. Subsequently, she start to msg me wif all those lovey dopey sms...asking me..hv i taken my lunch, did i slept well the nite b4 and etc..

One day after i finish entertaining my overseas guest, i gave her a call and ask her is she free? she say come down to XX KTV, she will be waiting for me at the entrance.... i quickly speed down from my hse to the KTV...ok ..reach there liao, i call her, she say wait for her at the entrance, while she collecting her tips. Once she saw me.. she gave me a hug, like i m her long lost lover, she ask me to send her home to change, as she dun wan to be seen in her skimpy outfit..no prob, drived her to her hse, she changed and come down. Putting her hand on my thigh, she ask me 'where to?'.. i reply somewhere 'quiet and jus the 2 of us'..actually i jus bring her to hotel for a ST which she agrees without much resistance. Ok, spare u guys the details of wat is happening inside the room, when i wanna pay her at the end of the day, she say 'i treatin u as a fren, y u must treat me like 'other gals'..upon hearin tat i withdrew my 100 bucks. After tat i sent her home, and she told me tat she will look for me.

after tat event, she call me frequently, for lunch appt and for more 'extra activities'..every saturday was spent wif her on overnite session..all FOC..
somemore she got the 'cheek' to say she dun go out wif other customers other than me..i jus play along..who cares..as it jus a FOC thingy..i dun really bother she got go out wif others…

One day..the horn started to appear from her head..she starts to request for things like HP, rental, etc from me... well i did give her a HP from part of my soccer winning..well, deep down inside, i jus treat the 'hp' as a transaction ....in the end i just want to slowly break myself away from her..though she did call me a few times...

she can 'sweet talk' me, saying that i m the 'exclusive' ones....and other customers want to bring her to hotel, she told them off, quarreling wif the customers who brought up the idea of bedding her,etc.. whenever she tell me this, i jus give her a smile ..deep down inside, i noe all these r bullshits...end of the day, i discover one of my 'brother' from SBF oso had 'FOC' session wif her..hahaha..
so the more a gal 'sweet talk' to me..the more i gotta 'beware'..

In this world...nobody is 'exclusive'..except your love one....

Faidenk
05-09-2005, 06:39 PM
A young man I got to know in Beijing has the perfect scam. He's about 27 at that time although he could pass for early 20's. He works in a Singapore company as a technician. Although the company provides for housing and a generous allowance on top of his Singapore salary, somehow I really can't see how he could afford the bevies of young ladies fawning over him. I even witnessed 2 of them fighting over him.

Later when I got to know him better, tongue loosen by me buying the drinks, he revealed his secret.

His story to the girls goes like this - his family owns tin mines and plantations in Malaysia, but the miserable old bastard of a father belongs to that generation who believed their offsprings must climb their own way up in society, and threw him in a friend's company to learn the ropes and 'develop character'. Not a cent he gets from his old man, and he can only lay his hand on his inheritance only when he's 30 or when the old man conks off, who's now in his 70's.

His scholarly looks and soft-spoken disposition certainly make him totally believable, and believe me, the girls just clamber to get on his wagon. I've never seen him alone at any time time, and more likely than not, it's always a new face. And get this, the girls pay for most everything, thinking they must be investing in something with a huge ROI.

Even though I keep a 'harem' of about 5 girlfriends at any one time, there are times when I have trouble summoning one for 'active duty'. *Sigh* if only I was young again to run this scam but it looks like the only role I could play now is as the 'miserable bastard', minus the $$$.

sadfa
05-09-2005, 06:48 PM
His scholarly looks and soft-spoken disposition certainly make him totally believable, and believe me, the girls just clamber to get on his wagon. I've never seen him alone at any time time, and more likely than not, it's always a new face.

they deserve to get scam by him. for once the conwomen get conned.
anyway these prc r damn stupid. the really rich with privilege upbringing can be spotted in the way they carry themselves. he may not be wearing branded goods n he dont need to look like scholar or soft spoken.

lssah
05-09-2005, 07:40 PM
To all bros,

Even though this thread is not a sex-related thread, I would personally rate this thread as THE BEST THREAD THAT I HAD (and still is) COME ACROSS IN SBF!

The advice and especially the real examples are SPOT-ON! I, sadly, do not belong to those bros who are streetwise, but I learned a lot here and it definitely opened my eyes!

You bros really OPENED MY EYES and I am able to see the picture straight ahead and in a very clear vision.

Once again, THANK YOU ALL!! :)

asjer
05-09-2005, 08:50 PM
Actually the guy can file for annulment.

Grounds for annulling a marriage :-
Non-consummation owing to incapacity
Non-consummation owing to wilful refusal
Lack of consent
Mental illness rendering the person unfit for marriage
Respondent pregnant by another man
Respondent suffering from Communicable Venereal Disease prior to marriage



she worked here for 3 years and married a local,
after marriage she refuse to open her legs to her husband, thus husband
wants a divorce and MM demanded SG$50,000. So hubby no choice but to give lo...

jon2000sg
05-09-2005, 09:14 PM
To all bros,
Even though this thread is not a sex-related thread, I would personally rate this thread as THE BEST THREAD THAT I HAD (and still is) COME ACROSS IN SBF!
The advice and especially the real examples are SPOT-ON! I, sadly, do not belong to those bros who are streetwise, but I learned a lot here and it definitely opened my eyes!
You bros really OPENED MY EYES and I am able to see the picture straight ahead and in a very clear vision.
Once again, THANK YOU ALL!! :) You are very much welcomed, bro.

I am contributing my fair share as I was swindled before and
it was total betrayal and the pain took 2 years to recover.

Strange that this MM that I truely love 3 years ago still call me
and she still believe I'm the same. If not becos of this MM, I'd not
cheong hard as I had for the past 3 years and I did learned a lot.

Let's this thread be a warning and learning lesson to all bros, esp. newbies.

I hope no bros would take the route that I've walked,
it's emotional and finanical lost.

All of us cheongsters are only 'guo ke'passerby in their
these few years of skin trade. After they earned enough, they'd
go back mainland and find someone who dun know about their
background and live happily ever after.
We are only being make use of.

So all the money we squadder on them goes to their men back home
and famililes, indirectly we are investing to China.
But what the fuck shld we be doing this?
In few years to come, China will be a super-power.
A super-power with MMs opening legs for economy prosperity ???

Chinamen sit at home shake leg and gamble,
waiting for their women to open legs and earn family a living?
What kind of shit is this?
Decline of the Eastern civilisation?

*sigh* :(

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 09:20 PM
I guess we men are vulnerable. We are overuled with feelings (七情六欲 ) , emotions, and are easily breakloose when we are feeling down, single (pressured from peers), too eager for a relationship etc. We mustn't reveal the other party too much, esp. our inner feelings. Because feelings are uncontrollable at times, this is where we are at their mercy. My point of view is that, dealing with these professional, try to play along. Sub-consciously, we have to be fully aware of "what happening" are not get too enthusiastic into this relationship. Because if we adapt to "love first, worry later" strategy, we will bound to get this reward: "collective hurt, grieve over regrets". I know is difficult lah, but I guess it takes some practical lesson to fully grasp the essence of these mind games. :o

Rof|maoxz
05-09-2005, 09:36 PM
Chinamen sit at home shake leg and gamble,
waiting for their women to open legs and earn family a living?
What kind of shit is this?
Decline of the Eastern civilisation?

*sigh* :(

I guess the above is true. One example is my brother-in-law. Have not worked since the birth of thier son. Eyeryday go KTV, T-Bar, spend $$ like water while the wife works 5 day week. Salary is a miserab of 1.5K RMB. Luckily, he didn't spend much from the family. His kakis mostly foot the bill. What a chiak liao bee. :mad:

junction88
05-09-2005, 10:18 PM
:) Btw Can I ask bros here a Q? I observed that relationship with a China WL is more risky then the Thai WLs. Because when we, local men befriend china counterpart, our first wall has been removed easily. (The language barrier) :)
Bro, you ask a very interesting question. The Pros & Cons are;

If you speak Mandarin, it make it easy for you to communicate and expressed your feeling and woo them, off course it is also easy for them to soften your heart if they con you, the acts or story they put up touched your heart….(didn’t I ask to harden your mind & heart)...deserved the Golden Horse Award.

Have you see a lots of Caucasians guys in China holding hand with local MMs walking on the street ? Yakkie ! most of them are ugly or average looking, becos all pretty MMs can’t study and landed working in the KTV or HC laio.

Sometime, can’t speak Mandarin can be a blessing if you sensed the gal trying to ask for more money. Buay Bodo (pretend stupid) can help you get out the situation. (juz like the Thai WLs would give up on you if they can't convey their story to you) There are couples of times while I was walking along a street, some students or young gals would approached me and ask me 10-20Rmb as they have not eaten for days, reasons are can not find job lah, can not find friends or brothers lah…blabla....all the crap …...
First time I gave 10-20Rmb…Then 2nd times, Knn….smart already…Buay Bodo, speak English or Malaysia to them and walk-off, saved my donation for foot massage.

Some brother says it right. Never indulged in just one MM, if you do, somehow it make it very difficult to part or quitting that relationship if you sensed something wrong, but if you have several gals in hands, it is easy to decide which gals to get rid if they try to play punk with you.

It is also good to set your damage threshold. If you can afford what your MM asking, fine, carry on, if you can’t and it is hurting your pocket, then put a stop and leave the gal. In that way, you won’t have the bad feeling about the gal cheating you becos you take control of the situation.

人在江湖, 身不由己……………….No ! You mustn’t listen to your Lau Er.
You as the Lau Da must take control huh....

cheer !

Sinoview
05-09-2005, 10:28 PM
didn‘t say its PRC DVD! maybe its other brand what!

just went to check out a BOSE DVD player! rmb 35,000!!! still thinking to buy or not to buy!!!

Dont waste yr money... in China do as what the chinese do.

Go by a cheap Shinco or any china brand and u'll be assured that they are able to play those prirate DVDs that are sold all over.

I bet you...that BOSE DVD player will not be able to do that ? Then how ?? Import yr DVD disc fm USA is it ??

For me, i did one step further. I buy my DVD player fm the same DVD shop i often buy my DVD disc. So if one dvd disc cannot play...he has to fix it anyhow.

Cheers

jon2000sg
05-09-2005, 11:02 PM
If you speak Mandarin, it make it easy for you to communicate and expressed your feeling and woo them, off course it is also easy for them to soften your heart if they con you, the acts or story they put up touched your heart….(didn’t I ask to harden your mind & heart)...deserved the Golden Horse Award.

Have you see a lots of Caucasians guys in China holding hand with local MMs walking on the street ? Yakkie ! most of them are ugly or average looking, becos all pretty MMs can’t study and landed working in the KTV or HC laio.

Sometime, can’t speak Mandarin can be a blessing if you sensed the gal trying to ask for more money. Buay Bodo (pretend stupid) can help you get out the situation. (juz like the Thai WLs would give up on you if they can't convey their story to you)

Some brother says it right. Never indulged in just one MM, if you do, somehow it make it very difficult to part or quitting that relationship if you sensed something wrong, but if you have several gals in hands, it is easy to decide which gals to get rid if they try to play punk with you.

It is also good to set your damage threshold. If you can afford what your MM asking, fine, carry on, if you can’t and it is hurting your pocket, then put a stop and leave the gal. In that way, you won’t have the bad feeling about the gal cheating you becos you take control of the situation.

人在江湖, 身不由己……………….No ! You mustn’t listen to your Lau Er.
You as the Lau Da must take control huh....

cheer !
Have you see a lots of Caucasians guys in China holding hand with local MMs walking on the street ? Yakkie ! most of them are ugly or average looking, becos all pretty MMs can’t study and landed working in the KTV or HC laio. HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! :D :p
Too bad, only the pussy can earn and suck $money$ !?

what bro Junction88 here says is correct,
never only see one MMs, it's easier to let go
if she sees you have fallen deep for her and
start the usual $money$ trick. Drop her if she
starts asking for a lump sum of $money$.

It is also good to set your damage threshold
oh yeah, dun let MM control you, you shld control
her spending.

Huzige
06-09-2005, 02:29 AM
It’s all economics. This recent story about “working” tertiary students in Shijiajuang in Hebei sounds all so familiar: http://www.nmg.xinhuanet.com/xwzx/2005-09/01/content_5023582.htm It reminds me of a bar in Beijing Haidian district (where many tertiary institutions are located) that a local friend took me to. But here the clientele are the male students, while the MMs are mostly SYTs from high schools from nearby provinces – all there for one reason, that’s money!

Indeed, it was “heaven” when I was working in Taiwan during the mid-70s. Taipei, Taichung and Kaohsiung were all playgrounds that provided me with much fond memories like today’s Dongguan. And yet today, I dread going to the ktv/nite club joints in Taiwan – they are too expensive (although my hosts are paying,) and I just don’t have any urge to “da pao” any MM since most have an “attitude” that someone spoilt by mainland MMs would find unacceptable. Not surprising to see so many Taiwanese men living it up in China. So, brudders – enjoy China before it becomes too expensive. With its explosive economic growth, that may come sooner than expected, and some places like Beijing and Shanghai are already becoming very expensive. But remember hor – as my Taiwanese friends always like to remind themselves, “可以昏船, 不过千万不要沉船” (it’s ok to feel giddy on the boat, but make sure the boat does not sink!)

At the end of the day, we cheongsters just need to be more “street-smart” than these MMs so as to avoid the heartaches and financial loss. We can all learn from our own and others mistakes, and I’m glad that many are sharing their hard-earned experiences; my hats off to you all!

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 08:50 AM
At the end of the day, we cheongsters just need to be more “street-smart” than these MMs so as to avoid the heartaches and financial loss. We can all learn from our own and others mistakes, and I’m glad that many are sharing their hard-earned experiences; my hats off to you all!

Any more classic examples? :)

sadfa
06-09-2005, 10:20 AM
Actually the guy can file for annulment.

Grounds for annulling a marriage :-
Non-consummation owing to incapacity
Non-consummation owing to wilful refusal


actually if she fuck him at least once during marriage, he cant annul liao.

sadfa
06-09-2005, 10:23 AM
There are couples of times while I was walking along a street, some students or young gals would approached me and ask me 10-20Rmb as they have not eaten for days, reasons are can not find job lah, can not find friends or brothers lah…blabla....all the crap …...
First time I gave 10-20Rmb…Then 2nd times, Knn….smart already…Buay Bodo, speak English or Malaysia to them and walk-off, saved my donation for foot massage.


eh bro, never give them money and ask them blow u? 10 to 20 rmb cheap wor.

sadfa
06-09-2005, 10:28 AM
hehe tat was me....
when i wanna pay her at the end of the day, she say 'i treatin u as a fren, y u must treat me like 'other gals'..upon hearin tat i withdrew my 100 bucks. After tat i sent her home, and she told me tat she will look for me.

One day..the horn started to appear from her head..she starts to request for things like HP, rental, etc from me... well i did give her a HP from part of my soccer winning..well, deep down inside, i jus treat the 'hp' as a transaction ....in the end i just want to slowly break myself away from her..though she did call me a few times...


bro, since u want to pay her n she say foc, u can later dump her b4 she ask u for hp.

if u chow kuan, dump her when she ask for hp becos one transaction is one transaction, cannot lump 2gether.

this 1 i learn from prc also.

Sinoview
06-09-2005, 11:04 AM
i don‘t think she did 2 timed me because we spent so much time together! almost most of the time! so don’t think she can spilt herself to 2 time me。


Sorry bro. Dont mean to pour cold water over you. Dont you know PRC mm are super great time manager ?

I think i did relate my this story somewhere....

I knew this MM in Cp. She worked part time in Amazon, a ktv there. We had a good time together ...she's good in bed and we have good chemistry too. She did told me that she had a hkey bf who will visit her abt twice a week.

On one holiday eve, i made a bad pick in a drinking joint and thus went back
hotel along. Feeling horny, i decided to give her a call though knowing then that her hkey bf was there that night.

She told that she can come over to meet but only for a short period. Of course i say ok. About ten minutes later, "ding dong" !!! She's at the door....

She : Darling, i miss you

Me : Me too....

She : Darling , i just come to see you but cannot stay overnight.

Me : Is yr hkey bf here tonight ?

She : Yes... but he drank too much @ the ktv tonight.
Now dead drunk and sleeping now

Me : OIC, so u come over ?

She : Ya, I just wrote a note saying that i have a home town friend老乡comming over and i m going to meet her for a short while.

(knn.... so familair. I must have heard these...a hundred times)

Me : Like that hah....

She : That's if he wake up and see the note. If after my return and he's still sleeping, then i 'll throw away the note and treat as if nothing has happen.

Me : Smart gal....i like you......

Then we proceeded to have nice "love making" session.

Wow scary man ... though in this incident i am the beneficary. Knn.. i really dont when i will be like her "hkey bf".... the gal or gf went out for a "tour" i still doesnt know, thinking she's sleeping beside me all the time.......

Ha...ha.....

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 11:05 AM
this 1 i learn from prc also.

Can I learn from you? I'm still a learner. :p

sadfa
06-09-2005, 11:09 AM
Can I learn from you? I'm still a learner. :p

u marry 2 prc, u still a learner?

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 11:15 AM
u marry 2 prc, u still a learner?

I guess I can't stop learning. Hehe~ :p

sadfa
06-09-2005, 11:16 AM
Can I learn from you?

just want to add, if the prc lose to u, they will just repeat their same old argument.

so in maha's case, maybe she demand 10000 for her collapsed roof in prc.

maha say no money.
she cry n say i give u foc fuck.
maha say u say u dont want money mah!
she say i thought u nice man. i want money now.
maha say i nice man but i no money. anyway if u say not foc, i wont fuck u 100 times foc n let u fuck other men liao.
(she now lan lan becos she did say foc).
she will cry n say i give u foc fuck (n she keep on repeating).

Sinoview
06-09-2005, 11:24 AM
You are very much welcomed, bro.

Strange that this MM that I truely love 3 years ago still call me
and she still believe I'm the same. If not becos of this MM, I'd not
cheong hard as I had for the past 3 years and I did learned a lot.

:(

That's may be strange to Sporean n Malaysian but if you know the Chinese well enough you ll know that they ll not cut routes completely ones....

They ll somehow maintain a link so that can turn it on whenever they want. 留个後路. They are doing it for themselves.... So long as see you to be "useful" someday......

They will like to send u an SMS on festive season like CNY, yr brithday, Valentine day, mid autumn moon cake festival, dumpling day, even their National day etc.... These are just excuses to stay in touch....for future use of YOU..... Hee...hee.....

sadfa
06-09-2005, 11:29 AM
So long as see you to be "useful" someday......
These are just excuses to stay in touch....for future use of YOU..... Hee...hee.....

so, if they never contact me means what?
i totally no li yong jia zhi 2 them?

mahalosux
06-09-2005, 11:37 AM
bro, since u want to pay her n she say foc, u can later dump her b4 she ask u for hp.

if u chow kuan, dump her when she ask for hp becos one transaction is one transaction, cannot lump 2gether.

this 1 i learn from prc also.

No worries abt tat incident..i just wan to make it to seems like 'I dun owe u anything, u dun owe me anything'....FOC?? haizz... i still dun believe people going ard tellin people they got FOC..

PRC MM no matter they r in SGP or back in their homeland..they hv this mentality ..watever they contrib, they want to see a return...

This one i learned from them, in this society, trust no one, not even your closet fren... therefore they r always defensive abt oneself ..u will never noe wat is goin on in her mind....

sadfa
06-09-2005, 11:40 AM
FOC?? haizz... i still dun believe people going ard tellin people they got FOC..

foc have what! ask our bro benoit lor.

mahalosux
06-09-2005, 11:44 AM
so in maha's case, maybe she demand 10000 for her collapsed roof in prc.

maha say no money.
she cry n say i give u foc fuck.
maha say u say u dont want money mah!
she say i thought u nice man. i want money now.
maha say i nice man but i no money. anyway if u say not foc, i wont fuck u 100 times foc n let u fuck other men liao.
(she now lan lan becos she did say foc).
she will cry n say i give u foc fuck (n she keep on repeating).

hahaha..this will never happen to me...

B4 hand, i will state clearly my terms and conditions..actually for every transaction wif PRC..i give her wat is deemed fit, or sometimes slightly more, as i do not wan her to turn ard and say i short change her...

mahalosux
06-09-2005, 11:45 AM
foc have what! ask our bro benoit lor.

Guess he had disappeared liao...anyway he's a guy full of imaginations...

Sinoview
06-09-2005, 11:45 AM
It’s all economics. This recent story about “working” tertiary students in Shijiajuang in Hebei sounds all so familiar: http://www.nmg.xinhuanet.com/xwzx/2005-09/01/content_5023582.htm It reminds me of a bar in Beijing Haidian district (where many tertiary institutions are located) that a local friend took me to. But here the clientele are the male students, while the MMs are mostly SYTs from high schools from nearby provinces – all there for one reason, that’s money!


I also got a news report here on Sichuan uni student exhanging sex for their school fee leh :

http://blog.yesky.com/162/skywxhsky/246162.shtml

Looks like our next outing goto be around some tertairy belt man.

The traditional sources seem no more interesting liao....

Haa....haa....

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 11:45 AM
They will like to send u an SMS on festive season like CNY, yr brithday, Valentine day, mid autumn moon cake festival, dumpling day, even their National day etc.... These are just excuses to stay in touch....for future use of YOU..... Hee...hee.....

Such little gestures like these can smoothes men's heart effortlessly. Because men are more magnanimous in these area then women and may put aside unhappy incidences easily. Time to fall back again....lol~ :)

sadfa
06-09-2005, 11:49 AM
Time to fall back again....lol~ :)

bro, what u mean? u mean your wife got do this 2 u 2 hook u?

rocket cheongst
06-09-2005, 11:54 AM
This one i learned from them, in this society, trust no one, not even your closet fren... therefore they r always defensive abt oneself ..u will never noe wat is goin on in her mind

i think its thier culture there,

It will happen in Sg too if we are not multi racial and manage well..... basically, pple in HK and China have one saying,

Nothing is free after u open ur eyes, pple there would think of hoe to make $$$ out of ur pocket the mohment they open thier eyes....

this saying i heard from PRC myself, they too agree on this ...

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 12:19 PM
bro, what u mean? u mean your wife got do this 2 u 2 hook u?

Nope. I think she more street smart then I can imagine. After she has rejected 2 proposals from HKG and Taiwan, unexpectedly she decided to go SGP, that's why she stepped into my path. She played the more aggressive role in the courtship. Guess I was subdued eventually, although no mind/emotional games played. Maybe these are not even required in our case since it happened too naturally. In due course, I begin to find out that she was quite capable, of concealing hidden secrets although it was not undisclosed without me noticing. This woman is not shrewd, but she used her rights effectively. I guess I have to live with it, regrets aside. Woman can be very unpredictable, transforming from a aggressive to a even more possessive role. :o

That's why in a typical BGR pertaining to foreign countries. No matter what nationalities they are from, it's only $$$ they can ask for, beg, cheat, request or even exchange with you. They won't take your life away. (Unless you attempt to take yours like one bro do.) Time can still cure all the heartache, sadness and unhappiness. When married, I guess the damage is even more severe, life-threatening. Even one wrong step can you are done.

jon2000sg
06-09-2005, 12:32 PM
I also got a news report here on Sichuan uni student exhanging sex for their school fee leh :

http://blog.yesky.com/162/skywxhsky/246162.shtml

Looks like our next outing goto be around some tertairy belt man.

The traditional sources seem no more interesting liao....

Haa....haa....sometimes I juz wonder what the FUCK is the Chinese government doing? such thing can happen in this modern 21st century civilsation?

have to sell body to pay for school fees?
and after university, she'd still moonlight
becos she has tasted the light of easy money.

maybe we are too fortunate in Singapore,
a well-mannered society with very few poor.
the poor are taken care of by government.

Niceman
06-09-2005, 12:46 PM
Jon2000sg,

Guess you are very young....correction, the poor is forgotten by the Sillypore govt. onli the very very poor, feeling ashame by putting them on the streets so the tourists can see, will be sent to 'home'.

Try getting yourself sick, and u will undertand what is life in Sillypore land. :o

Sinoview
06-09-2005, 12:47 PM
so, if they never contact me means what?
i totally no li yong jia zhi 2 them?

Yes ...it could be what u hv said or it's a compliment that u are too good for them... They called the Game over liao... U WIN.... Hee....hee...

jon2000sg
06-09-2005, 01:00 PM
Jon2000sg,

Guess you are very young....correction, the poor is forgotten by the Sillypore govt. onli the very very poor, feeling ashame by putting them on the streets so the tourists can see, will be sent to 'home'.

Try getting yourself sick, and u will undertand what is life in Sillypore land. :ohi Niceman bro,

guess I'm too young to make such comment,
excuse me if I'm wrong.

thank you for the reminder, yes indeed I'm rather young and soft-hearted,
that's why swindled easily by MMs. guess I learned the hard way and hope
bros here dun walk the path I stumbled.

cheers to all bros here!

Niceman
06-09-2005, 01:06 PM
Wisdom does not grow with age nor success, it grows with failure.

When we fall, then we really know where are the stones and which path is smooth.

Some are lucky, pavement is well paved and concreted. Some are not.

Wisdom is Life, but life is not wisdom. Life is so irony.

:(

sadfa
06-09-2005, 01:10 PM
They called the Game over liao... U WIN.... Hee....hee...

i think they realise i got no money for them 2 squeeze or all squeeze dry liao. lol!

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 01:17 PM
Life is so irony. :(

I guess that even oneself can be equipped with vast knowledge, he can still be easily entraped into Emotional Scams. Life is even more irony if we know such things are happening, but yet not capable of resolving it and get out of these situations.

Niceman
06-09-2005, 01:55 PM
Ya, emotion is something we all cant escape irregardless how smart or capabale a person is. Ego is also part of emotion.

Sinoview
06-09-2005, 01:57 PM
I guess that even oneself can be equipped with vast knowledge, he can still be easily entraped into Emotional Scams. Life is even more irony if we know such things are happening, but yet not capable of resolving it and get out of these situations.

You're so right. To me i think, it's the opponents that count. For the normal average ones, not an issue. I can easily handle that.

But should one day, i met someone when really fit into my fantansy and are also a "high hand" , i may die badly again..... Sign.

一山还有一山高.

Hanxinco88
06-09-2005, 02:20 PM
Finally a thread that shows many "Lao Beijing" people ( normally lao Beijing refers to those that are born and raise up in Beijing) around...who are giving very accuarate account of what is happening in China right now.....

Anybody ever wonder why they are shrewder and always conning people of their money?
Poverty is one main reason, but the rich also con in China, do you know that?
So why and what lead them to be able to "outsmart" us???

During my stay in China, I asked some of my "ge'r men" ( close friends)why Chinese people whether it is a man or women, it doesent matter,...they are always very superficial in their conversation with people around them .....but of course with their " Tie Ge'r men" ( refer to a friendship that is as strong as steel)....they will 'liang Lei Cha Dao" ( willing to withstand 2 dagger on your behalf)....and do anything for you.... that is when guanxi ( relationship) comes into the picture........

They actually told me that during the cultural revolution and During Mao Zedong reign....Chinese people are very innocent and ignorant......but after Deng Xiao Ping open the doors of China in the 80's, the first batch of people that comes into China to trade are the Taiwanese and Hong Konger, these people came in and cheated love, money and property of many many chinese people......thus nowadays they learnt from their mistake so it will not be easy to even think of conning a chinese.....instead, they become smarter...and like one brother says, they learnt through the hard way and evolves to the current shrewd chinese that you and me are looking at.....

Just like the chinese people, we too will one day be smarter after being con one time or another by a chinese MMS....but just treat it as a very valuable experience as it will make you stronger in your survival in China....
just like many brother have survive so well in China....honestly...I think that all bros who had stayed in China long enough agreed with me that if given a choice to stay there for good.....they will stay there instead of coming back to sillypore....anyway I am one of them that I would defineltely prefer China that sillypore..............why????

Simple reasons: More opportunity and more money earned!!!!



Just my liang mao qian.....

Cheers

sexxxx
06-09-2005, 03:07 PM
I guess that even oneself can be equipped with vast knowledge, he can still be easily entraped into Emotional Scams. Life is even more irony if we know such things are happening, but yet not capable of resolving it and get out of these situations.
Because many of the people now a days are emotional lonely, even if they have gf or married. MMs are good in filling in the gap using their fake feeling.

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 03:38 PM
You're so right. To me i think, it's the opponents that count. For the normal average ones, not an issue. I can easily handle that.

But should one day, i met someone when really fit into my fantansy and are also a "high hand" , i may die badly again..... Sign.

一山还有一山高.

Maybe if time allows, we could exchange some pointers. Hehe~ Guess I'm not too young to meet you. :)

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 03:54 PM
Just my liang mao qian.....

Cheers


一句话说到完....“红颜祸水啊” I guess even if Mao Zedong never open doors to the open world, I think the chinese can easily adapt to changes well. If not some of our ancestors can help build up and remade the lion city. I guess SGP men have to think "out of the box" man. Sometimes be abit Kiasu and Kuasi is not a shameful thing. :rolleyes:

jon2000sg
06-09-2005, 06:08 PM
China MMs - Excuses and Emotional scams

let the world wake up to the perils of China MMs !!! :eek:

Randi_Candi
06-09-2005, 07:12 PM
I dun thk there shd b such a big hoo har on this issue
Its a fact tat SG males r more prone 2 such tactics
Alot of ppl thk SG males r easy target compared 2 our neighbours up north who r more st smart (not bashing MY bruddas nor own SG 1s)

We c if 1 % of SG gals r pritty, it is 40k (tats if all r within tat eligible criteria of age, shape n such)
But every 0.1% of CN gals r pritty leh? its 130k (jus bland figures for crunching)

U guys can share ur story of being con n such, in the 1st place, isnt comm sex something tats done n forgotten?? Y bring it back? Werent u the 1 who willingly allowed urself to b conned if u had intended it 2 b a comm thing?

Secondlly, ppl share abt the woes of being conned. How cum no 1 volunteers his story of how he cheated/threatened gals?

If scared to be bitten dun b near the sharks
Chines has a saying - 2 laff at the poor but not vice
Y? Cos if u run illegal operations but make a goot living for urself, ur family u r their god! but if u cant even sustain ownslef, who can u take care of??

Too harsh? Nah.....jus some reality bites

Pandora_Box
06-09-2005, 07:16 PM
Then come the trips... I brought her to HK, SG, Shanghai....
Shanghai = she bought RMB30,000 of clothes (excluding other expenses!!)
HK = All in all she spent HKD 40,000 off me
SG = Spent about SDG$11,000 !

Wow, the amount of money you spent on her is incredible, I for sure will not pamper a girl to such extend.

Now, me also old bird liao in the China scene.... only I bluff girls, no girls can bluff me.... My trick? ALWAYS BE HARD HEARTED NO MATTER WHAT!

Just a comment, senior bro, but how you define 'old bird' in China scene. Everyday, someone is learning, someone had failed, someone had fallen, someone had stand up, falls again..cycle just goes on and on...everyday is a learning process to each and every1 of us, to attain the stage of 'Old Bird' is hard to come by! Kudos to u!

Cheers!

sadfa
06-09-2005, 07:20 PM
U guys can share ur story of being con n such, in the 1st place, isnt comm sex something tats done n forgotten?? Y bring it back? Werent u the 1 who willingly allowed urself to b conned if u had intended it 2 b a comm thing?

Secondlly, ppl share abt the woes of being conned. How cum no 1 volunteers his story of how he cheated/threatened gals?


bro,

1. to a certain extend its true that people willingly allowed themselves to be conned becos the meimei never put a gun to their head n force them 2 give the money. plus they heard so much about these tactics, they should know better.
2. of course no one will volunteer his story of cheatin/threaten gals. think have lah. but those bombed 2 smithereen liao.

fatone
06-09-2005, 07:23 PM
Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Let's face facts, if you are going to date anyone, whether they are from China or not, you are liable to be emotionally vulnerable to blackmail, cons, deception, etc. These are facts and I know many people in relationships who do so to each other.

If you are dating a 'professional' whose job it is to make you feel good, stroke your ego and inflat your self esteem, don't go crying when you find out that they (guy or girl) have been lying to you.

Bottomline, if you are looking for a real relationship, stay away from people whose income is tied to how well they can make you feel about your ego, get your sympathy or inflat your self importance. If you are looking for sex, pay for it and f-and-f. If you want a loyal friend for life, get a dog.

Randi_Candi
06-09-2005, 07:26 PM
bro,

1. to a certain extend its true that people willingly allowed themselves to be conned becos the meimei never put a gun to their head n force them 2 give the money. plus they heard so much about these tactics, they should know better.
2. of course no one will volunteer his story of cheatin/threaten gals. think have lah. but those bombed 2 smithereen liao.
I agree w u on tis.
If ppl were toxicated n did it, no need 2 blame any 1
S for their own dirty laundry, heard 2 much abt it......fm the gals I will take it w a pinch of salt. But after having seen n heard about some glorified FOCs which were basically gains of deceit........nah......

Perhaps tats y there's only glory n not dirty in cyber??

Pandora_Box
06-09-2005, 07:29 PM
If you are looking for sex, pay for it and f-and-f. If you want a loyal friend for life, get a dog.

This statement is very powerful!

Cheers!

Randi_Candi
06-09-2005, 07:31 PM
Spurs.....y u camp here n keep mum??? :p

Pandora_Box
06-09-2005, 07:32 PM
Spurs.....y u camp here n keep mum??? :p

Wow, bro, u got x ray eye? :eek:

Rof|maoxz
06-09-2005, 07:59 PM
Secondly, ppl share abt the woes of being conned. How cum no 1 volunteers his story of how he cheated/threatened gals?



Actually I wanted to relate some, I mean I dun believe I'm a saint lah. I admit sometimes I'm a bastard too. Maybe some other time I will pen in down. :)

Randi_Candi
06-09-2005, 08:17 PM
Actually I wanted to relate some, I mean I dun believe I'm a saint lah. I admit sometimes I'm a bastard too. Maybe some other time I will pen in down. :)
Haha......I was not referring 2 any1 in particular, obviously u too
I guess every1 has done something 2 initiate a move but it depends on how foul is it

I m sure u have heard n seen as much w ur rich experience in the cheong scene

Cheers Rolf....... :D

asjer
06-09-2005, 09:04 PM
Opinion was given based on this sentence :-

Originally Posted by jon2000sg
she worked here for 3 years and married a local,
after marriage she refuse to open her legs to her husband

in which case, would lead to non consumnation, saving the husband SGD50,000.

actually if she fuck him at least once during marriage, he cant annul liao.

jon2000sg
06-09-2005, 09:56 PM
I dun thk there shd b such a big hoo har on this issue
Its a fact tat SG males r more prone 2 such tactics
Alot of ppl thk SG males r easy target compared 2 our neighbours up north who r more st smart (not bashing MY bruddas nor own SG 1s)

We c if 1 % of SG gals r pritty, it is 40k (tats if all r within tat eligible criteria of age, shape n such)
But every 0.1% of CN gals r pritty leh? its 130k (jus bland figures for crunching)

U guys can share ur story of being con n such, in the 1st place, isnt comm sex something tats done n forgotten?? Y bring it back? Werent u the 1 who willingly allowed urself to b conned if u had intended it 2 b a comm thing?

Secondlly, ppl share abt the woes of being conned. How cum no 1 volunteers his story of how he cheated/threatened gals?

If scared to be bitten dun b near the sharks
Chines has a saying - 2 laff at the poor but not vice
Y? Cos if u run illegal operations but make a goot living for urself, ur family u r their god! but if u cant even sustain ownslef, who can u take care of??

Too harsh? Nah.....jus some reality bitesisnt comm sex something tats done n forgotten??
if you RTF meaning you like the girl, and this is a weakness seen
from MM's eyes. if you dun like the girl, you wun RTF.
so MM take the opportunity to pour more sugar on you and soften
your heart, esp. if you are a newbie and experienced MM can see.
it's easily said than done when there are so many singles like me in
Singapore still looking for the right partner. No gf/wife - only way to
release it in comm. sex but who knows such things can happen to a
loner.

If scared to be bitten dun b near the sharks
ok for this point, that's the reason this thread is all about,
to give newbies the warning and lessons experienced
by bros here.

if there's a shark in your office but your job still requires you to work
with the shark, can you shun yourself away and not be near to the shark?
in life, there are always situation you just can't help it.

I dun hv a gf/wife, but I need sex - how ? I got my biological needs!
so pay for it, but in the midst of the pursue, be aware of the sharks!
that's what this thread and forum is all about !!!

i'm now in very much control of such situation regardless if its a ordinary
girl or WL. I can love and let love.

to all bros, esp. newbies - do learn from this thread and dun be swindled by
the beauty, tits, FJ, BBBJ, figure, pussy of a WL.

LET THE WORLD WAKE UP TO THE PERILS OF CHINA MEI MEIs !!! :o

junction88
06-09-2005, 11:07 PM
Because many of the people now a days are emotional lonely, even if they have gf or married. MMs are good in filling in the gap using their fake feeling.

Wow lau Bro, " 一针见血 ", Nail in the head (big and small head, hehe !!).

Have you noticed when we goto KTV, the Mummy have to bring rounds and rounds of MMs for us to choose, not that the MMs are not pretty, it is becos every MMs is so pretty that make us difficult to settle, put those rejected MMs and ask them line up at GL or blend into the crowd of Toa Payoh, AMK or whatever towns, every males will behave like buaya. The well dressed MMs are simply too gorgeous to kill and we buay tahan and walk into the hole & traps, esp we are lonely and hungry for sex, pcc just can't satisfy the urge........

Fake feeling...You always tell yourself, 逢场作戏,玩玩而已嘛....and then, you started to taste the cherry, abalone, sushi, ....etc,,.Then you emotionally involved......scams & traps will follow suite.........Learn to pay for the price, nothings comes free huh........

cheer !!

Randi_Candi
07-09-2005, 01:13 AM
isnt comm sex something tats done n forgotten??
if you RTF meaning you like the girl, and this is a weakness seen
from MM's eyes. if you dun like the girl, you wun RTF.
so MM take the opportunity to pour more sugar on you and soften
your heart, esp. if you are a newbie and experienced MM can see.
it's easily said than done when there are so many singles like me in
Singapore still looking for the right partner. No gf/wife - only way to
release it in comm. sex but who knows such things can happen to a
loner.
Yo I had said I aint targetting any1
RTF if the svc provided is goot, I will
But if u r not sure wtf u r rtf for then it will b a precarious situation to put urself in.
There r telltale signs

If scared to be bitten dun b near the sharks
ok for this point, that's the reason this thread is all about,
to give newbies the warning and lessons experienced
by bros here.

if there's a shark in your office but your job still requires you to work
with the shark, can you shun yourself away and not be near to the shark?
in life, there are always situation you just can't help it.

I dun hv a gf/wife, but I need sex - how ? I got my biological needs!
so pay for it, but in the midst of the pursue, be aware of the sharks!
that's what this thread and forum is all about !!!

i'm now in very much control of such situation regardless if its a ordinary
girl or WL. I can love and let love.

to all bros, esp. newbies - do learn from this thread and dun be swindled by
the beauty, tits, FJ, BBBJ, figure, pussy of a WL.
I like ur analogy but look at it tis way, if u know ur company sux n u r not in a well-compensated scenerio, y u slog for the pits??
Nothing is so ancient nowadays tat 1 man works his life for a company
every1 has got their mind 2 do the logical processing b it work or emotions

Which is y i had indicated tat.....cum on s an unmarried personnel wat is the big risk of losing an WL?
In the corporate world, all are dispensable. W/o the CEO, the company will still run, w/o ur unit CO, the war ends?

I do not deny the fact tat its a reminder 2 ppl, b it newbies or oldies n u hv mentioned it, biological needs, does it encompass a need 2 tag it 2 emotions??

LET THE WORLD WAKE UP TO THE PERILS OF CHINA MEI MEIs !!! :o
S for tis statement of urs......is it only 2 the CN mm? cum on we all know wat the world is made of and who r the people walking the mkt

When u loved a non WL n can afford 2 splurge on her n when things turn sour, do u brand them? Tat brings it back to my pt........if u r willing, u dun 1 2 lose face n hv a soft spot, dun put the blame on ppl who made it happened cos if u r not willing 2 give can ppl take fm u? :rolleyes:

ryanlim
07-09-2005, 01:35 AM
.......

Ooi, so free to participate in debates ah??????????? :confused:

Nbz, if so free hor............don't waste time to log in lah.............Buy me kopi instead lah.............

:D

Randi_Candi
07-09-2005, 01:40 AM
Ooi, so free to participate in debates ah??????????? :confused:

Nbz, if so free hor............don't waste time to log in lah.............Buy me kopi instead lah.............

:D
Not debate lar, jus exchange nia mah
Free 4 u anytime sir

When we go u know w 2 relax huh?? or u pre-occupied liao??
Hiazzzzz

ryanlim
07-09-2005, 01:43 AM
When we go u know w 2 relax huh??

anyday, anytime til 14 Sept ;)

Randi_Candi
07-09-2005, 01:44 AM
anytime til 14 Sept ;)
Ok ok.....got it
Next Mon we arrange a session

Haha......I know the reply liao (not fm u) - Wah! 2molo working leh :p

jon2000sg
07-09-2005, 05:07 AM
Yo I had said I aint targetting any1
RTF if the svc provided is goot, I will
But if u r not sure wtf u r rtf for then it will b a precarious situation to put urself in.
There r telltale signs

I like ur analogy but look at it tis way, if u know ur company sux n u r not in a well-compensated scenerio, y u slog for the pits??
Nothing is so ancient nowadays tat 1 man works his life for a company
every1 has got their mind 2 do the logical processing b it work or emotions

Which is y i had indicated tat.....cum on s an unmarried personnel wat is the big risk of losing an WL?
In the corporate world, all are dispensable. W/o the CEO, the company will still run, w/o ur unit CO, the war ends?

I do not deny the fact tat its a reminder 2 ppl, b it newbies or oldies n u hv mentioned it, biological needs, does it encompass a need 2 tag it 2 emotions??

S for tis statement of urs......is it only 2 the CN mm? cum on we all know wat the world is made of and who r the people walking the mkt

When u loved a non WL n can afford 2 splurge on her n when things turn sour, do u brand them? Tat brings it back to my pt........if u r willing, u dun 1 2 lose face n hv a soft spot, dun put the blame on ppl who made it happened cos if u r not willing 2 give can ppl take fm u? :( LET THE WORLD WAKE UP TO THE PERILS OF MEI MEIs !!! :eek:

mahalosux
07-09-2005, 09:18 AM
Ok ok.....got it
Next Mon we arrange a session

Haha......I know the reply liao (not fm u) - Wah! 2molo working leh :p

Saturday nite lah..... :D

mahalosux
07-09-2005, 09:23 AM
RTF if the svc provided is goot, I will
But if u r not sure wtf u r rtf for then it will b a precarious situation to put urself in.
There r telltale signs


the oni one I RTF in my whole life is one gal from Putian and another from Shenyang...... but both i treat like machiam my spare tyre..can get out of the situation fast and furious...kekekeke :D

Only lust fill my mind when i bonk them...kekekeke :p

Shenyang gal is the best one..ask me to send her to PPC to remit $..reach there ask me to give her 500 to remit..i say wallet no $..she lan lan get out of the car and off i go...

sadfa
07-09-2005, 10:12 AM
to all bros, esp. newbies - do learn from this thread and dun be swindled by
the beauty, tits, FJ, BBBJ, figure, pussy of a WL.


actually hor, these wl r quite dangerous 2 even non newbies. ive seen before people who cheong many yrs kenna chop n people who indoctrinate themselves meimei r after money only also kenna chop.

sadfa
07-09-2005, 10:14 AM
Have you noticed when we goto KTV, the Mummy have to bring rounds and rounds of MMs for us to choose, not that the MMs are not pretty, it is becos every MMs is so pretty that make us difficult to settle, put those rejected MMs and ask them line up at GL or blend into the crowd of Toa Payoh, AMK or whatever towns, every males will behave like buaya.


er actually hor, i reject them becos they cmi. the ugly ones give me foc i can accept.

jon2000sg
07-09-2005, 11:01 AM
actually hor, these wl r quite dangerous 2 even non newbies. ive seen before people who cheong many yrs kenna chop n people who indoctrinate themselves meimei r after money only also kenna chop.that's why I say this thread is good for all bros regardless new or old,
so I dun understand why some clown would come kicking this discussion?

jon2000sg
09-09-2005, 10:08 AM
it is said the WLs in China is 2 times that of its military population?
true?

Ronaldo
09-09-2005, 10:18 AM
Finally had time to sit back in the office and scroll down this thread... Seems like alot of brudders here give very valuable advice to others who have not encouter the charm of the PRC ladies...

Most of our Chinese teachers in the past will be so proud of us now, with the ability to type Chinese and really try all we can to install Chinese software into our OS. Like my Primary school friend who hated Chinese, now has his Dictionary placed right infront of his desk in Xiamen.

Actually most of us know that we should be wary of the PRC girls and the do's and dont's, but seriously when we log out of SBF, we are back in the beautiful world of PRC girls.. This, my good buddy in China said, is 鬼遮眼 (hope I get this right)

We can be warning all our other friends to be wary of this and that, but we ourselves are also falling into every so called traps. You will hear friends telling you that your girl is scamming you but your common reply would be, "No lah, I tested her liaoz. she never take money from me..", " She dont mind I am married and even when she needs money she dont ask from me, I give her on my own accord" Blah blah blah....

I could see many of those businessman here in China are of matured age with established careers and of course a happy family in Singapore. If I can see it, so can the PRC girls.

Please DONT think its for the LOVE or PASSION. Come on, when I see older men tagging SYT, its like 老牛吃嫩草。 I rememeber one KTV telling me, they dont feel shy or embarassed to take money from these people cos they are taking advantage of their youth. Youth is something that only happens to a person once in a lifetime.

Before our matured friends get angry, you must also think what can you give these girls? A future? A happy family? If you think the girl in her early 20s would sacrfiice her youth just to be with you, who is in your 40s and have a family in SG, is for LOVE? Come on...

Ok I have known cases where the girl dont ask for $$$ from the guy, but this usually end up more serious than loss of money. I have heard the girl committed suicide by jumping off the building. Can you actually live with it? Harden the heart? I dont know....

Have you guys ever asked the MM what was their ambition? Rememeber the days when we are in SG, schooling, we penned down ambitions like to be a Doctor, Scientist, Policeman? You will hear things like Marry a Rich Man, Be Rich, etc etc...

They dont have a specific directions thus they use all methods available to attain their objectives. We could be just their stepping stone. Why we feel hurt and used? Cos living in sheltered Singapore, we no longer possesss the strong survival instincts our forefathers do...

In a nutshell, sometimes the blame is not totally the PRC girls. Its what we are looking for during our time in China. We surf SBF with the hintest of intenton of sex. Dont tell me you come to make internet friends. But of cos through this channel, we made good buddies. Some of us are just for a sex tour in China, some of us are just lonely in China and need a companion and some of us just want to find true love in China.

Anyway, have fun here and dont think about it too much. There is no PRC girls or Singapore men, there are only Good people and Bad people.

Weekend lor.... Sauna again? hmm... :rolleyes:

Sinoview
09-09-2005, 01:38 PM
We can be warning all our other friends to be wary of this and that, but we ourselves are also falling into every so called traps. You will hear friends telling you that your girl is scamming you but your common reply would be, "No lah, I tested her liaoz. she never take money from me..", " She dont mind I am married and even when she needs money she dont ask from me, I give her on my own accord" Blah blah blah....

I could see many of those businessman here in China are of matured age with established careers and of course a happy family in Singapore. If I can see it, so can the PRC girls.

Please DONT think its for the LOVE or PASSION. Come on, when I see older men tagging SYT, its like 老牛吃嫩草。 I rememeber one KTV telling me, they dont feel shy or embarassed to take money from these people cos they are taking advantage of their youth. Youth is something that only happens to a person once in a lifetime.

Before our matured friends get angry, you must also think what can you give these girls? A future? A happy family? If you think the girl in her early 20s would sacrfiice her youth just to be with you, who is in your 40s and have a family in SG, is for LOVE? Come on...

Ok I have known cases where the girl dont ask for $$$ from the guy, but this usually end up more serious than loss of money. I have heard the girl committed suicide by jumping off the building. Can you actually live with it? Harden the heart? I dont know....

Have you guys ever asked the MM what was their ambition? Rememeber the days when we are in SG, schooling, we penned down ambitions like to be a Doctor, Scientist, Policeman? You will hear things like Marry a Rich Man, Be Rich, etc etc...

They dont have a specific directions thus they use all methods available to attain their objectives. We could be just their stepping stone. Why we feel hurt and used? Cos living in sheltered Singapore, we no longer possesss the strong survival instincts our forefathers do...

In a nutshell, sometimes the blame is not totally the PRC girls. Its what we are looking for during our time in China. We surf SBF with the hintest of intenton of sex. Dont tell me you come to make internet friends. But of cos through this channel, we made good buddies. Some of us are just for a sex tour in China, some of us are just lonely in China and need a companion and some of us just want to find true love in China.



Wow....A very good post....

A very frank perspective fm a young uncle who still is "the same generation" as most MMs. He related stuff right from their MM hearts.

It's actually all there, written on the wall. But just that many of us got carried sometime or refused to accept truth that the relationship esp. if the guy is married, is purely a " transaction of needs". Non married guy, even divorcee got another "tool" to "trade"...

She needs "money and a better life" and with her youth and body being her assets, while we the other side had our "money" and some "foreign charm" (which can be disadvantage at times) and needing tender love care and the feel of 第二春.

So it's basically an exchange of needs.

We all have to recognised that.... But some still like to FOC. Fark On Credit... hee..heee... then why the pay back time come....kow pei kow bu.

Having said and recognised that, then more work got to be done in the "transactional process". Who ll be ultimate winner or loser ? or bothe winner or both also loser will depends on individuals' capabilities, sincerity, suitabilities, luck etc.... Compare to a normal relationship ... this type will have many more ptifalls and headache. Many times more if it is a long distant ones...

So if we are not prepared for all these "head n heartache"....Best is to PnF or FnP...

jon2000sg
09-09-2005, 02:16 PM
very good advice, bro

alvin1969
09-09-2005, 02:26 PM
[QUOTE=Ronaldo]Finally had time to sit back in the office and scroll down this thread... Seems like alot of brudders here give very valuable advice to others who have not encouter the charm of the PRC ladies...

WOW, Ronaldo writing his thesis again for his master in "China Meimeis"

Ronaldo
09-09-2005, 02:30 PM
Having said and recognised that, then more work got to be done in the "transactional process". Who ll be ultimate winner or loser ? or bothe winner or both also loser will depends on individuals' capabilities, sincerity, suitabilities, luck etc.... Compare to a normal relationship ... this type will have many more ptifalls and headache. Many times more if it is a long distant ones...

So if we are not prepared for all these "head n heartache"....Best is to PnF or FnP...

Very true Uncle... We may think we have the upper hand and winning but in actual fact, have we? I think the battle is already lost when we begin...

So thats why, last night, I see my married friends bring out their darling as one of them is having a birthday... I cant help wondering, these girls have so much guts to "invest" time and body to someone whom she may never have a future with...

Have we asked ourselves that if we do not see the light of the tunnel, will we commit the same effort? I dont know, maybe next life when we reincarnated as one, then we might realise the other end of the rod...

One thing we cant deny is that, when man have money, the whole body itchy... so I try as much to deter carrying cash...I thought I could control not going to Commercial sex... But Men will be men...

marji
09-09-2005, 02:31 PM
Finally had time to sit back in the office and scroll down this thread... Seems like alot of brudders here give very valuable advice to others who have not encouter the charm of the PRC ladies...Weekend lor.... Sauna again? hmm... :rolleyes:

Really well said bro....

Can't up you as upped before...

BUt what you written is so true and really struck a note in myself......

Ronaldo
09-09-2005, 02:32 PM
[QUOTE=Ronaldo]Finally had time to sit back in the office and scroll down this thread... Seems like alot of brudders here give very valuable advice to others who have not encouter the charm of the PRC ladies...

WOW, Ronaldo writing his thesis again for his master in "China Meimeis"

Wah say! Suan me mehz???
No lahz.. just interested in such unusual relationships mahz...
Me not as expert as you and uncle sino...
True master in disguise...

:D

Ronaldo
09-09-2005, 02:35 PM
Really well said bro....

Can't up you as upped before...

BUt what you written is so true and really struck a note in myself......

Thanks for the comments...

I guess most of us have passed this stage and did not actually sit back to recollect...

Catch you around... :D

shanghian
09-09-2005, 04:54 PM
they use all methods available to attain their objectives. We could be just their stepping stone. Why we feel hurt and used?
In a nutshell, sometimes the blame is not totally the PRC girls. Its what we are looking for during our time in China. We surf SBF with the hintest of intenton of sex. Dont tell me you come to make internet friends. But of cos through this channel, we made good buddies. Some of us are just for a sex tour in China, some of us are just lonely in China and need a companion and some of us just want to find true love in China.

Anyway, have fun here and dont think about it too much. There is no PRC girls or Singapore men, there are only Good people and Bad people.

Bro Ronaldo,
You have hit the spot with this post. We use double standards to measure "us" and the MMs. When we suceed in having a freebie fuck or conning a girls feelings to get to her abalones we call this "Conquest" but when it happens the other way around... is called "cheating", "scam", "trap" with all the scums all thrown in together.
We are in this with eyes wide open, "traps" and all and so are they.... Agree with you ,just have fun and don't think about it too much. And to those who got "cheated" ..just move on. It's all in the game...you win some ..you lose some..you bet big , can win big or lose big. :D

cheers

Shanghian

p.s

Any more plans for trips to Shanghai?

jon2000sg
09-09-2005, 05:38 PM
good - Sam Leong
bad - cheongsters
ugly - MMs ?

junction88
10-09-2005, 12:09 AM
One thing we cant deny is that, when man have money, the whole body itchy... so I try as much to deter carrying cash...I thought I could control not going to Commercial sex... But Men will be men...

Isn’t it the saying goes

男人有钱就变坏………女人变坏就有钱

cheer !!

Ronaldo
10-09-2005, 11:53 AM
p.s

Any more plans for trips to Shanghai?

Yupz... should be Oct... after the holidays.. over some weekends..
Drop me a PM if you free to meet up..

I have yet to "conquer" SHA although my first CS in China is a SHA girl...

This time, I am not paying for sex!!! ( yet I am not ruling out the dinners, the drinks, the presents... haiz... ) :D

Ronaldo
10-09-2005, 11:56 AM
Isn’t it the saying goes

男人有钱就变坏………女人变坏就有钱

cheer !!

True true... now I am restricted with a few hundred RMBs on hand... I tried to control myself by not going to CP too often.. seems like I failed badly...

Rof|maoxz
10-09-2005, 12:21 PM
Very true Uncle... We may think we have the upper hand and winning but in actual fact, have we? I think the battle is already lost when we begin....

Well bro, what can I say man. Even the experienced veterans (hard-core cheongsters) can't boldly say that they can handle those MMs, know how to stop at the right time or get out of this tricky business here. It is because they must mentally prepared to lose whenever thay start these games. Just like invest in Single-premium ILPs. The interest sounds alluring, but you will never be able to attain that well promise interest. The interests just eroded away and beyond your reach, after deducting commision. hidden tax and stuff. (So near yet so far.)

Back to the topic, the basic reasoning behind these so-called scams is this. Everyone has his/her own starting point, and everyone has his/her own finishing point too. It takes at least two to tango, winners continue to win other winners, while losers may choose to restart and complete his own race. :)

junction88
10-09-2005, 02:08 PM
Back to the topic, the basic reasoning behind these so-called scams is this. Everyone has his/her own starting point, and everyone has his/her own finishing point too. winners continue to win other winners, while losers may choose to restart and complete his own race. :)

Well say bro,

A lots of contributions here points to how you handled and control situations.

Right from the begin, you have to determine how you want to play and end the game. Whether you want to have fun with the gal for short or long term relationship ? Whether you can afford to up keep her ? Whether you can take the emotional & affectional changes in you ? Whether you can let go at the right time right moment ? What happen if she is pregnant? What happen your job is terminated? What happen your wife found out about your affair here ?…………etc.

Many of our brothers have shared their truth life experiences, some good ending and some turn sore, some get cheated financially and emotionally and some still can’t get over it, some felt heng heng and are celebrating ……different game different ending.

I would say, if you just want to have fun and find a sex partner while you are working here feeling lonely or your personal egos, be prepare to spent money on them, take it as “Trading”, it is also fair for those MM stick to you or on-call by you any time when you want to have sex, it is almost like your second wife, so isn’t fair to pay them or support them ? The amount of money needed to support depend on what type of MM you are engaging with, the high class one would required more money to up keep, example the Air Stewardess, Models, KTV gals or even some pretty OL, choose your trading partner according to your budget, don’t think of getting free, unless it is a ONS or short term sting that you know how to hit and run....remember, some time you think you can get for free and it turn out to be most expensive one hor....juz becareful.

Local MMs are very smart to choose their sugar daddy. They like us because they heard a lots of good things about our country, no language barrier, strong currency, men are caring, romantics, charming, charisma, handsome, kind hearted, good on bed (can play many patterns some more…..hehe), etc. Some also know that GL can make good money by just working short term there.

Some brother say, look at yourself in the mirror, we no longer young any more, and we still can have many young and pretty MMs as young as 19, 20 handing hand and make love. Come on brothers, you think you are still handsome like F4 or Nicolas Hsiah , sorry to pour cold water hor, we jolly know very well that it is our money that attracted them, that why it is so easy to hooked gal here, and if your defense is lousy or weak then you get MMs extort or asking huge money, again, I ask you to treat this as a transaction or gamble, if you can afford, play on, if not, leave the table or the MM, find yourself an excuses and get out of the situations, after that, stay cool for a while, get some advise from friends planned your next move. By now you should have some experience handling situation like before, be wise and be smart and don’t think back and bad……life have to go on unless you decided to switch to ppc or short term sex by visiting bbs or HC, well, this could be one of the cheap solution any way.

To start the game is very easy, but to end the game is much difficult as it required a lots of determination to cut tie, some time you are emotionally suffered, hurt or injured, you got to learn to be strong, harden your mind and heart.

拿的起, 就要放的下………That’s how the game goes…….

Cheer !!

Ronaldo
10-09-2005, 02:23 PM
Come on brothers, you think you are still handsome like F4 or Nicolas Hsiah , sorry to pour cold water hor, we jolly know very well that it is our money that attracted them, that why it is so easy to hooked gal here, and if your defense is lousy or weak then you get MMs extort or asking huge money, again, I ask you to treat this as a transaction or gamble,
Cheer !!

But hor... this does not apply for McMuff wor... You will have KTV chicks throwing themselves at him... hehehe..

I rememeber Stano said.. in Sauna, a BBBJ is common whereas a CIM is a bonus.. For BBS and KTV, BBBJ is a bonus... Some come with free armpit hair too... :eek:

So if we can view it this way, I guess to the girls have the same mentality.. If guys like McMuff and Vaxrms call them, they like strike Toto like that... Got handsome guy and pay them money too... hehehe...

Another lonely weekend with the bloody aircon leaking... :(

Pandora_Box
10-09-2005, 03:49 PM
Please DONT think its for the LOVE or PASSION. Come on, when I see older men tagging SYT, its like 老牛吃嫩草。 I rememeber one KTV telling me, they dont feel shy or embarassed to take money from these people cos they are taking advantage of their youth. Youth is something that only happens to a person once in a lifetime.

Before our matured friends get angry, you must also think what can you give these girls? A future? A happy family? If you think the girl in her early 20s would sacrfiice her youth just to be with you, who is in your 40s and have a family in SG, is for LOVE? Come on...

Ok I have known cases where the girl dont ask for $$$ from the guy, but this usually end up more serious than loss of money. I have heard the girl committed suicide by jumping off the building. Can you actually live with it? Harden the heart? I dont know....

Just want to mention a bit on the above. I happen to know a North Eastern SYT in her early 20s working in a renowned club in S'pore. This is straight from her mouth when I commented, u PRC seems to like matured man. Her reply is' We PRC gals, like matured man, because of their spending power, to think of settling down with them is a NO NO to us.'
Though the truth hurts, but Sillypore man in their 40s and above can carry on in their dreamland thinking that their PRC lover is trueful to them, etc.

In my life as a cheongster, I can hear a lot of people telling me' My PRC is the most perfect lady in this world', 'I gonna marry her', 'She never took a single cent from me', ' She pay her way to Sillypore to see me', etc... Oh man! It really shows Sillypore men are just r a bunch of poor liar boasting their ego to the max.

There was one e.g., a PRC gal is asking me for a lump sum to do a student permit to come to Sillypore, in order to see me, I just tell her 'Your lying skill is not up to mark yet, if you wish to come here to make a fast one, just be frank, who am I to you that make you waste your 2 years in Sillypore.'

jon2000sg
10-09-2005, 08:10 PM
they are WL = working ladies
here for $money$, maybe back home they already have a husband/bf

they are selling their youth to earn for a living
and the smarter ones save up the $$$ for their old age.

the average salary in mainland is RMB$2K-3K,
where on earth can they earn SG$8-10K which is about RMB$40K-50K in a month?

so do you think they are looking for love here?
looking for sugar daddy - yes...

Huzige
11-09-2005, 12:51 AM
Business is business, love is all bullshit. Of course, sometimes it’s nice to have business with pleasure – encounters with MM are just that. You may think it is love, but it’s really just lust, explaining why we “butterfly” while lamenting “so many MMs, so little time.”. They came from all kind of background – but the common objective is to make more good money – easy money, if possible.

Nevertheless, there are some who were forced into it, and the Chinese news has many examples of these – some recent examples include a QY girl (http://www.nanfangdaily.com.cn/southnews/shyp/200508220239.asp) and an even more unfortunate Anhui MM (http://www.nanfangdaily.com.cn/southnews/shyp/200508220320.asp)

But for those MMs in the game willingly, it’s fair sparring between them and cheongsters – each thinking they have specific advantage. I started this thread for one reason only – to allow brudders share their experience so that we cheongsters are better prepared for the sparring game with the MMs. The bottom line is just whether it’s a good bonk or not – and whether worth a repeat – next…

Having said that, the MMs do pay with their youths to play the game – yes, some really do help put their younger brothers and sisters through schools. And the smart ones will save with realization that the time for their games is limited, but many also lost it all through sheer stupidity And some pay a very big price too – see this sad story of two MMs – only 15 & 18 yo (http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2005-08-25/02207585249.shtml) although they are getting lots of help after the massive public outcry (http://www.nanfangdaily.com.cn/southnews/shyp/200508260211.asp) BTW, I heard this incident also caused a recent cleanup of the BBSs in BaoAn area. Also, our friend Condoms posted one of the photos for totally unrelated subject. I’ll not pretend to be a social scientist discussing China’s social problems. But I do know one thing – the effects of $$ generated by the MMs on China GDP cannot be under-estimated. ;)

jon2000sg
11-09-2005, 01:34 AM
Business is business, love is all bullshit.

But for those MMs in the game willingly, it’s fair sparring between them and cheongsters – each thinking they have specific advantage. I started this thread for one reason only – to allow brudders share their experience so that we cheongsters are better prepared for the sparring game with the MMs. The bottom line is just whether it’s a good bonk or not – and whether worth a repeat – next…

Having said that, the MMs do pay with their youths to play the game – yes, some really do help put their younger brothers and sisters through schools. And the smart ones will save with realization that the time for their games is limited, but many also lost it all through sheer stupidity And some pay a very big price too – see this sad story of two MMs – only 15 & 18 yo (http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2005-08-25/02207585249.shtml) although they are getting lots of help after the massive public outcry (http://www.nanfangdaily.com.cn/southnews/shyp/200508260211.asp) BTW, I heard this incident also caused a recent cleanup of the BBSs in BaoAn area. Also, our friend Condoms posted one of the photos for totally unrelated subject. I’ll not pretend to be a social scientist discussing China’s social problems. But I do know one thing – the effects of $$ generated by the MMs on China GDP cannot be under-estimated. ;)the effects of $$ generated by the MMs on China GDP cannot be under-estimated.
what Bro Huzige said is very true, imagine the amount of $$$ one MM
brings back to mainland !? In a month, they make at least SG$10K in Singapore, squeezing from us.
It was reported last year that China WL is twice the size of China military population, MMs fly all over the region to make $$$.

I juz know from a MM that on a weekend like FRI and SAT,
she can make at least SG$1500++ on either day. Her charge
is only $100/shot but some cheongsters can give $200-300 per session.
I've seen her change from a newbie to her current 'ang pai' status, now
with her becoming 'very confident' and eyes turning 'devil' (Yao Yan) !?
It's very sad to see this w/o her realising it, but I juz have to wish her well.

She lost the sparring with me on her first visit with me winning the game,
now I still see her as I feel it's worth to be with her. I'm not sure what will
happen with her current 'over confident' self and I'd like to know how can
this skin trade really change a MM from a good nice girl newbie to a 'red hot' WL. One very evident sympton - all they think of is $$$, how to squeeze it from men !? and for sure the facial expression esp. eyes will turn 'devilish' and scarry... :eek:

Ronaldo
12-09-2005, 12:20 AM
Seems like many brothers here really know the "correct" way when it comes to dealing with these WL.. But deep down, its always hard to practise what you preach....

Had a KTV session over the weekend with my regular local expats friends at our friendly neighbourhood KTV.. Had this girl from Anhui.. At first she thought we were Taiwanese.. then she told me she is from Inner Mongolia.. So we carried on this basic start up conversation of guessing where either of us are from (i think many of us will start with this)..

So I tried to catch her accent... And found out that she has hintest of Cantonese accent.. My guess was she has been here for some time.. So I asked how long she has been here... I made the comment like "3 months ha?" ( you know the standard reply they will give... imagine a chick telling you i have been in this ktv for 2 years.. u also sian right?) But she said she has been in this city for like 3 years liaoz.. but in this line only recently.. So it explained her Cantonese accent...

Anyway.. I could feel that she is an old bird in this line... But.. I like... Weird? My buddy also come to warn me.."I think she is very experienced.. you better be careful.." I feel that I prefer those who knows their place.. and we will never have a future.. And most importantly.. money is able to solve any issues between us...

The last time you want your "special relationship" to have is love...like my buddy here told to me in the past.. " We are all made of flesh and blood.. we have feelings.. Time will build feelings.."

So like Huzige said, this is a business transaction... but those who does business here in China, we talk about relationships.. So do we have any feelings in this relationship? Easier said than done...

Just have fun lahz... Dont think so much... It wont make you a better man...Once a 嫖客, you will always be a 嫖客.. hehe... Like McMuff said.. Dont act virgin... :D

fatone
12-09-2005, 01:16 AM
Dear Brothers,

We are all cheongsters who are in it for the fun and the sex. Don't get delusions of romance, eternal love and any of the fuzzy feelings into the exercise. The China MMs are trading in the oldest profession known to man so they know what they want and so should you. You pay, you have fun, you leave; that is the only attitude you should have with regards to these professional recreation consultants.

As for the ladies who are not professionals and have accepted no payment of any kind, my personal belief is to treat them as you would any other lady friends from other countries, with respect and honesty. I personally cannot stand two-timer bastards or bitches who sweet talk their partners when they know they are no longer available (i.e., married, engaged, etc.) I am no saint myself but as I have said before and paraphased here, save your love for one, use your shots for the professionals.

Sinoview
12-09-2005, 09:24 AM
Dear Brothers,

. I personally cannot stand two-timer bastards or bitches who sweet talk their partners when they know they are no longer available (i.e., married, engaged, etc.) I am no saint myself but as I have said before and paraphased here, save your love for one, use your shots for the professionals.

Wow .... u so serious hah..

How about those who "openly" declared that they have a family n not preapre to give up but somehow sweet talk or give "sweets" to the MM to be with them ... So do u think these grp of people ok or not ? Hee....hee..

Sinoview
12-09-2005, 09:39 AM
So like Huzige said, this is a business transaction... but those who does business here in China, we talk about relationships.. So do we have any feelings in this relationship? Easier said than done...

Just have fun lahz... Dont think so much... It wont make you a better man...Once a 嫖客, you will always be a 嫖客.. hehe... Like McMuff said.. Dont act virgin... :D

Have Fun ... yes. But the defination of fun mean differently for each individuals. The chiongster grp are simpler and easier to handle ...mainly go for beauty, service, convenience and price consideration....

But the Romancer are the more complicated ones.... searching for "feeling and romance" to satisfy their needs. Many unforeseen things can happen then....... Especially, for the older birds....they fall into this category....

Most chiongsters will be graduated into this cat. after a period of "chionging"..

So bros. , pls dont speak so fast...... yr turn will come to face such music. The question is when ??? Do we stay long enough in this scene .... if yes ... our turn will come ...it's only a matter of time when we meet the right "match".......

Chinese has a saying... " If we live by the sword, one day we will die by the sword"...... How true ????

VBScripts
12-09-2005, 11:54 AM
But the Romancer are the more complicated ones.... searching for "feeling and romance" to satisfy their needs. Many unforeseen things can happen then....... Especially, for the older birds....they fall into this category....


yo brother, it sound very familiar to us leh.........kekeke......so far you belong to which category har?..........:)

Thank you for upping me. kum sia, kam sia.

fatone
12-09-2005, 12:52 PM
Wow .... u so serious hah..

How about those who "openly" declared that they have a family n not preapre to give up but somehow sweet talk or give "sweets" to the MM to be with them ... So do u think these grp of people ok or not ? Hee....hee..

Dear Brother Sinoview,

Meaning to offense to anyone but if someone has a family with kids, what is he thinking of trying to sweet talk to some MM. He is lonely and want company, get a pro to help scratch his itch. Doesn't make sense to me to jeopardize your family and kids. Isn't the love and respect from your children worth more than any MM's sweet words.

In my experience, no MM is worth the smile on your kid's face when you go home, agree?

gincharm
12-09-2005, 01:36 PM
In my experience, no MM is worth the smile on your kid's face when you go home, agree?

Hey bro fatone - although you directed the abv to bro Sino, sorry I kaypoh but you just about sum it up by saying "- - no MM is worth the smile on your kid's face when you go home - -- "

Now - how to erase the guilty smile on my face? Aiyah!

Sinoview
12-09-2005, 02:27 PM
Now - how to erase the guilty smile on my face? Aiyah!

Bro.,

If everyone is like what Bro Fatone said ...then the world including the entertianment scene is a lot more simple.

Only straight PnF or FnP....no "feeling" no boa er nei , no contract fark and no emotional at all......only physical needs to satisfy. All customers are chiongster....

Realistically, is the world this way ???
We all know best ...is not to put any feeling into the play...but some ll said no feel no fun. No feel mind as well go home PCC.... It's like some will only go for evening walk in the park, so like to take walk in more hilly and scenic places and some will only be happy if they climb mount Everest.... I never did asked a friend of mine why he spent tens of thousands $$$ on mountain climbing trip each year and back with bruises and cut all over his body ? "You will never understand the joy i had till u are up there ? ". I think i will never be able to understand him... so he must be wrong ???

It's individuals....my friend.

Dont speak so fast..... i had mentioned that "If we stay in this scene long enough.... one day ... our turn will come ...when we meet the right "match". For the weak heart better stay out .......

We all want to avoid this and think with our big head but sometime the smaller one will take over.....

fatone
12-09-2005, 03:07 PM
Totally agree with Brother Sinoview on this point as well. My views are my own and should not be interpret to mean it fits everyone. I prefer to limit any scratching of itch overseas to professional part timers who know what they want and is able to develop on the service levels we have come to expect.

No feeling no fun is, for me, asking for trouble; best keep it professional. No point going down the route where you are actually paying for the upkeep of a MM. As the saying goes, you want milk doesn't mean you buy and rear a cow at home. That is the same concept behind outsourcing; this way you get to compare prices, negotiate service levels and then get your money's worth without infrastructure costs and personnel problems.

fatone
12-09-2005, 03:10 PM
Hey bro fatone - although you directed the abv to bro Sino, sorry I kaypoh but you just about sum it up by saying "- - no MM is worth the smile on your kid's face when you go home - -- "

Now - how to erase the guilty smile on my face? Aiyah!

Brother Gincharm, interesting point. More importantly, what guilty smile will I have on my face. Remember, the MMs are professional attitude adjustment consultants on a part time limited objective project. F and F. The smile when I get home is for my family.

Sinoview
12-09-2005, 03:19 PM
No feeling no fun is, for me, asking for trouble; best keep it professional. No point going down the route where you are actually paying for the upkeep of a MM. As the saying goes, you want milk doesn't mean you buy and rear a cow at home. That is the same concept behind outsourcing; this way you get to compare prices, negotiate service levels and then get your money's worth without infrastructure costs and personnel problems.

You are a very practical man, a total chiongster leaving the heart at home ... good for you.

gincharm
12-09-2005, 04:04 PM
Dear readers - there you have it - viewpoints!

If I may, bro Sino (to your earlier post "If we stay in this scene long enough.... one day ... our turn will come ...when we meet the right "match".) - the PRC "hard-ons" became "heart-aches" and now, a decade hence, "hard-hearted". I count myself one lucky dick that got away. Priceless.

Bro fatone, I found the solution to a psychological problem - include BBS, MPs etc in the supermarket trip and add some MMs on the grocery list. Just good ol' basic buy sell - - -hehe

sadfa
12-09-2005, 07:17 PM
the meimeis i see can be classified like this:

1. the bs meimei

this meimei can tell her beautiful story on how she need money for sick dad, sick dog, roof leaking, no house, in debt etc etc together with whisperin sweet nothings like i luv u only, lao gong.
naturally to hai kong u to give her money.

u give n give until u see her dad in prc doing somersaults or she tell other men the same story.
if u think this is bad, wait till u see ... ...

2. the cheater meimei

this meimei act virtuous n tell u need money for investing in business n sure return or need money 2 pay rent or this n that or buy for her 1st, pay u back later.

pls hor, money go in, never come out.
u will be lucky if u get some bonks in return, but not at market rate hor!
so 1 bonk she charge 150, for u, will be 250 or 300!
if u think this is bad, wait till u see ... ...

3. the lazy cheater meimei

this meimei couldnt be bothered. this carrot she see b4 her, ie u!
cut by itself.

she just say i want 500 or 5000 or lv bag n expect u 2 pay.
dont even need to give excuse anymore.

Rof|maoxz
12-09-2005, 08:03 PM
the meimeis i see can be classified like this:



Wei~ I tot you three words settle all? Bonk! Bonk! Bonk! :rolleyes:

jon2000sg
12-09-2005, 08:06 PM
Bros: "Bonk! bonk! bonk!"
MMs: "Qian, qian, qian !!!"

sadfa
12-09-2005, 08:14 PM
Wei~ I tot you three words settle all? Bonk! Bonk! Bonk! :rolleyes:

true. actually the more u get involved in their lives, the more u get sucked into their lies n bs n the more u can get chopped! chop! chop! chop!

best is 2 bonk n fuck off.

btw the 141 gals getting hotter n hotter.
the average age like 18 to 21 yr only. spore like 25 yr average. sigh! somemore many treat them like bao.

got one student hong kong meimei wear uniform somemore! cant wait man!

hcmanic
12-09-2005, 08:42 PM
Actually most of us know that we should be wary of the PRC girls

Got a bit of free time and come in add my 1 cent worth.
I do not agree to the above sentence lah, the above is true if she is a WL and sad to say 99.9999% sure look at you like robert.

I have a couple of non-WLs (ie GFs) in China and so far, my impression of them still damn solid.

We can be warning all our other friends to be wary of this and that, but we ourselves are also falling into every so called traps. You will hear friends telling you that your girl is scamming you but your common reply would be, "No lah, I tested her liaoz. she never take money from me..", " She dont mind I am married and even when she needs money she dont ask from me, I give her on my own accord" Blah blah blah....

Yes quite true for new bird or older folks that does not cheong often. Look at those HDB uncles who falls for 40 y/o PRC in Spore (without look and body). I read newspaper i also shake head (the top one hor). But we will one way or another fall for it lah when we are young and inexperience. It depends on how fast we can be trained with 照妖眼that let us see thru' them.

Ok I have known cases where the girl dont ask for $$$ from the guy, but this usually end up more serious than loss of money. I have heard the girl committed suicide by jumping off the building. Can you actually live with it? Harden the heart? I dont know....

I agree but the main thing is not to bluff them and give them high hopes lor. All my PRC mms knows me but we can still maintain that kind of relationship lor. i always tell them i have nothing in return to them long term and it's really up to them if they want to con't. except for a couple of MMs that i no choice have to "Get Rid" using the 出精methology. But so far so good and both me and my MMs know our limits and I managed to keep it that way...phew.

Have you guys ever asked the MM what was their ambition? Rememeber the days when we are in SG, schooling, we penned down ambitions like to be a Doctor, Scientist, Policeman? You will hear things like Marry a Rich Man, Be Rich, etc etc...

a... one of them want to "play" as long as she could and her reason to be with me is that I can afford to let her enjoy the life she wants, one from GZ wants to earn more $$$ to give her mum better life and she is earning more than some of you as a translator a month. No kidding.... others just plain lazy and wants to study as long as parents can afford. That, sadly is the product of China's one child policy over the past decade. haiz...

In a nutshell, sometimes the blame is not totally the PRC girls. Its what we are looking for during our time in China. We surf SBF with the hintest of intenton of sex. Dont tell me you come to make internet friends. But of cos through this channel, we made good buddies. Some of us are just for a sex tour in China, some of us are just lonely in China and need a companion and some of us just want to find true love in China.

sorry bro, i came into SBF again to know more friends hor (seriously) as I was damn bored in China then (everyday sex sex sex also sianz..) and we really got overselves some very good buddies from tongue-fu master to 8" to GZ king and of course the boss of Sino de' suana. And some really intend to find true love in China but picky like Sino's friend that goes China every couple of month average but still cannot find.

Anyway, have fun here and dont think about it too much. There is no PRC girls or Singapore men, there are only Good people and Bad people.

But please be wary of WLs, remember FH 30? she is an out and out Striker for "robert" but she end up sucking her own thumb for the past 6 months... hehehehe I will look for her when i return but till then, let her pissed with me lor :D

wcrsrp
13-09-2005, 06:53 AM
For those of you planning to explore Danuk Thailand (Border Town in Thailand after Bukit Kayu Hitam, BEWARE do not book girls from farms located along Satit Hotel & Mansion.

The following should give you a clearer guide of the location of these farms:-
After the Thai custom along the main road there is OSCAR Hotel and if you are facing OSCAR front entrance, the lane (road) on the left of Oscar Hotel are the location of these farms. However the right lane farms are ok so far ( I have book 2 girls from there and they do not give me any problem). Sometimes the pimp from the left lane will go to the right lane to fish their victims so BEWARE.

My nightmare started when I wanted to try girls from farms (along Sattit Hotel) located at the left lane of OSCAR HOTEL These farms and their girls work together to cheat and CON their clients. I had gather some information and found out some of their modus operandi:-

1. First they will promise and convince you that their girls are the best in all way and will accompany you up to 2pm the next day. After selecting your girl and paying upfront your nightmare begins:-

• If the girls follow you back to your room immediately she will stay with you for 2-3 hours then she will find excuse to leave and never come back. She goes back to the farm house to parade again for the next customers (victim). Any amount of complain to the OKT is useless because the OKTs are part of the conspires. The OKT will tell you that the girl will return to your room soon but will never do so.
• If your girl did not follow you back immediately, the OKT will send you another girl as “replacement” and not the girl that you picked earlier. The OKT will give all sorts of reason for not sending the girl of your choice and NO REFUND. The true reason is because your girl was paraded again whilst you are waiting for her in your room and some other clients paid a higher price than you.
• If your girl did not follow you back immediately the girl will not turn up in your room later. Any complain to the OKT will give you a blank stare from the OKTs and is your word against theirs. The true reason for this is because no replacement is available as all their girls had been taken up by other clients while you are waiting in your room.

Do anyone knows whether any of the farms in Hatyai use the same modus operandi as above?

Please pass the words around to all samster and cheongsters and boycott these farms.

Be Careful !!!

Ronaldo
13-09-2005, 11:09 AM
Wah replying to comprehension ha Hcmanic? When SHA? :D

McMuff
13-09-2005, 06:11 PM
But please be wary of WLs, remember FH 30? she is an out and out Striker for "robert" but she end up sucking her own thumb for the past 6 months... hehehehe I will look for her when i return but till then, let her pissed with me lor :D

bro hc need me to go grease her engine for you first or not?

i would also like to comment a little on the flip side of engaging in commercial sex and the psychological impact it has on our private life.

no doubt when i was first introduced to it, i was emotionally unprepared and oftentimes i contemplated giving the girls some money so as to ease their misfortune to a certain degree. and when you keep seeing the girl over and over again there will bound to be a certain degree of attachment ( if she is yucky why keep repeating right? ). Fortunately i never did come to a situation of becoming too attached to them ( i get bored of things too quickly) nor give them any "loans" (cos i know brudders around me will laugh at me or fuck me jialat jialat).

So for bros who have walked that path i think we should just debit "Tuition" and credit "Experience" and make sure we do not do that again.

What i am more concerned about beyond the monetary issue ( we earn it back) or the immediate emotional impact (we heal), is the psychological impact.

1) after various exploits i have become a "harder" person, more unfeeling thanks to my protective mechanism that makes me suspect the motive of a person thanks to listening to so many chick sob stories.

2) i have come to expect that the pleasures of sex is an entitlement for myself and in intimate situations with a lover/wife/gf i make lesser effort.

3) i can lie to my lover/wife/gf without an ounce of guilt whilst cheonging.

so while the fun was temporal, the character has taken a big step backwards.

that is something that i have difficulty coming to terms with.

and while acknowledging this fact, when lust beckons, cock trembles, and i jump back into the abyss again. its an endless cycle.

:cool:

hcmanic
14-09-2005, 09:01 PM
Wah replying to comprehension ha Hcmanic? When SHA? :D

SHA is off as i hate RMB. You remember my friend in SHA? He is now stuck with 400K RMB and having a "good" headache how to get them out of China

hcmanic
14-09-2005, 09:11 PM
bro hc need me to go grease her engine for you first or not?

so while the fun was temporal, the character has taken a big step backwards.

that is something that i have difficulty coming to terms with.

and while acknowledging this fact, when lust beckons, cock trembles, and i jump back into the abyss again. its an endless cycle.



Halo bro MM,

Your 3 cents worth solid leh and I guess you missed 69 ( :p ) again...haiz..

well, "KY" her all you can if you are interested, if not, let her suck her own neh neh for the time being lor. hehehhe

Well, experience will tide you thru the above as I have BTDT and getting together with friend still top priority over lust. I will not jump into the abyss knowingly that it will be an endless cycle.

Good luck :D

Randi_Candi
15-09-2005, 12:16 AM
SHA is off as i hate RMB. You remember my friend in SHA? He is now stuck with 400K RMB and having a "good" headache how to get them out of China
Haha......tats an easy task

McMuff
15-09-2005, 03:17 PM
[QUOTE=hcmanic]Halo bro MM,

Your 3 cents worth solid leh and I guess you missed 69 ( :p ) again...haiz..

well, "KY" her all you can if you are interested, if not, let her suck her own neh neh for the time being lor. hehehhe

[QUOTE]

bro hc

i guess i will go and onz her liao and then tell her to put on your tab. she still working there meh? sibey long liao leh. all of the ones that we used to know seems to have moved on. at this rate she must now be the angpai liao! :D

anyway i am already knee deep in this abyss so i guess i have to learn to thread water and just make sure i dont sink any deeper.

see you soon!

McMuff
15-09-2005, 03:23 PM
Halo bro MM,
Your 3 cents worth solid leh and I guess you missed 69 ( :p ) again...haiz..


69 has left me for bro THECOCK even though i begged her to stay with me leh.

i guess she was not satisfied with my crooked cock and prefers longer foreskin.

she has hurt me emotionally. oh!!

hcmanic
15-09-2005, 10:35 PM
bro hc

i guess i will go and onz her liao and then tell her to put on your tab. she still working there meh? sibey long liao leh. all of the ones that we used to know seems to have moved on. at this rate she must now be the angpai liao!

anyway i am already knee deep in this abyss so i guess i have to learn to thread water and just make sure i dont sink any deeper.

see you soon!

I also dunno wor, if yes than good to her, if not, i earn lor :D

See what we have done to a promising young man with so bright a future, intro him to CP and now in deep abyss. haiz... must be uncle sino and big bro alvin... hahahaha

hcmanic
15-09-2005, 10:39 PM
69 has left me for bro THECOCK even though i begged her to stay with me leh.

i guess she was not satisfied with my crooked cock and prefers longer foreskin.

she has hurt me emotionally. oh!!

I tot you went to Lion to look for your pink nipples and got caught from her??? hehehehe

well, i still miss the fun during breakfast in FH cafe where you just left and bro thecock took your seat that day... :p

Ronaldo
16-09-2005, 11:27 AM
I also dunno wor, if yes than good to her, if not, i earn lor :D

See what we have done to a promising young man with so bright a future, intro him to CP and now in deep abyss. haiz... must be uncle sino and big bro alvin... hahahaha

Hey... i think i am the worst "victim" hehehe...
Bright future... hehe... McMuff future always bright lahz...

:D

hyundai42
16-09-2005, 05:35 PM
hi all bro, have been in shanghai for a while , actually found this site by chance. need advise urgently, the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks

jon2000sg
17-09-2005, 10:21 AM
hi all bro, have been in shanghai for a while , actually found this site by chance. need advise urgently, the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks
wau lau, you'd better run, the kid might not be yours!
I've been close to 4 PRC women and all they want is $money$,
the kid could be her lover's. better be wise than sorry.

jon2000sg
17-09-2005, 12:11 PM
Haha... you are right.... never admit liability with these girls.
you can feed them and give them money,
but never admit liability with them.

they'd drown you and suck you dry.
if you only feed them with money,
you can stop anytime once you find anything funny about her.
once you have a kid with her, that's it!

a Singapore int'l PR/citzenship is what they are
looking for - a passport to the world - US, UK, Europe and Japan.

I juz found out recently that one ST (short-time) in Japan cost RMB$3000,
is that so? meaning SG$600 per shot ? Can't believe it !?

any comments, bro?

Sinoview
17-09-2005, 01:33 PM
the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks

Ask her why need huge amount to settle the problem ? A reasonable ok private abortion in SH cost less than 600rmb.

So you know what the huge amount is for ?

You have to dump this gal. She's not sincere and out to get you.

It's difficult for us to advise as we did not know her at all. But you have to
play your game right.

You have to know what she actually want and you go the reverse way. Eg. if u know that she's wont want to keep the baby, you pretend and insist that you want the baby and would take go care of her....

But whatever, the words should not come out from yr mouth that u want her to abort her baby...lead her to say it herself....otherwise u'll be set upon. You need some thinking and understanding of her for u to do it...

Bro, u need to apply the right strategies and with proper move you should be able to get over this saga with minimium damage... then dump her...

jon2000sg
17-09-2005, 01:36 PM
Ask her why need huge amount to settle the problem ? A reasonable ok private abortion in SH cost less than 600rmb.

So you know what the huge amount is for ?

You have to dump this gal. She's not sincere and out to get you.

It's difficult for us to advise as we did not know her at all. But you have to
play your game right.

You have to know what she actually want and you go the reverse way. Eg. if u know that she's wont want to keep the baby, you pretend and insist that you want the baby and would take go care of her....

But whatever, the words should not come out from yr mouth that u want her to abort her baby...lead her to say it herself....otherwise u'll be set upon. You need some thinking and understanding of her for u to do it...

Bro, u need to apply the right strategies and with proper move you should be able to get over this saga with minimium damage... then dump her...
guess bro Sinoview is right about it, you gotta spend some $money$ but mke it minimium...

VBScripts
17-09-2005, 01:54 PM
Ask her why need huge amount to settle the problem ? A reasonable ok private abortion in SH cost less than 600rmb. So you know what the huge amount is for ? ...


In this situation, you can try Bro. Sinoview's advice...."the reverse method". If what you have written is true, it is quite obvious she is out to set you up for $$$.

If the reverse technique don't work, you may have to be a little harsh and die die also never admit that you are responsible unless you are sure abt it becos we don't really know your both relationship at all. Worst come to worst you may have to say that you want to have a DNA test and see what is her respond.

Handle the matter clamly.

jon2000sg
17-09-2005, 02:38 PM
In this situation, you can try Bro. Sinoview's advice...."the reverse method". If what you have written is true, it is quite obvious she is out to set you up for $$$.
If the reverse technique don't work, you may have to be a little harsh and die die also never admit that you are responsible unless you are sure abt it becos we don't really know your both relationship at all. Worst come to worst you may have to say that you want to have a DNA test and see what is her respond.
Handle the matter clamly.
may need to hearten your heart, be a cold-blooded monster;
otherwise you'll be suck dry

hcmanic
17-09-2005, 04:06 PM
hi all bro, have been in shanghai for a while , actually found this site by chance. need advise urgently, the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks

Go for DNA. Can be done.

junction88
18-09-2005, 10:38 AM
...the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks

Bro,
did she ask you to marry her ?? what is the amount she is asking ??

If you are unsure who fathered the child tell her you need to go for DNA verification, this can be very upset to her and she would throw temper as though that you doubt her, unless you tell her you suspecting her......only you know.

Not sure the amount asking is for abortion or keeping the child (you have to find out), she might after delivered the child ...............sell the child in the black maket especially it is a boy and the gene came from spore (top seeded).

If the money she ask is not big. settled with her and drop, if the amount is not great, settled and be more careful next time with any gals....

cheer !

pakpak2001
18-09-2005, 10:26 PM
hi all bro, have been in shanghai for a while , actually found this site by chance. need advise urgently, the girl i have for the last 8 months said she is 2 pregnant now not sure if it's mine .she wants huge amount of money to settle this problem. any advise from bro there? thanks
Bro, my sincere suggestion to u on this matter.
1. u must be sure when was the last time u had sex with her? if only 1 mth ago, then her 2 mths pregnancy is a farce. if it was 3 mths ago, then her 2mth bulging belly is a fake! get your facts right.
2. ask her upfront on the phone if she wants the baby. if she say no, thank god! u r free! psycho her that she's not mentally prepare to be a mother & tell her that she since still young, you can gibe her a baby anytime next year.
3. tell her that your new duties require u to travel frequently so it's not a good time to start a family.
hope this help becaz 9 out of 10 prc chicks (esp if they r ex-freelance/ktv chicks0 r out to fleece u high & dry.
so many hk/taiwan & now singi/matlanders suffer financially & mentally due to them

hyundai42
21-09-2005, 05:26 PM
Thanks bros' for all your advise , the woman is out to get $$$ from me. she said she will keep the baby unless i give her RMb 100k. offered 50K to settle the problem but she refused and only willing to accept that amount .........damn mad when i heard that and told her to do what she wants and i don't give a shit about it , not even sure if the baby is mine. too much problem with her.... any bro had same experience?

sadfa
22-09-2005, 11:11 AM
Thanks bros' for all your advise , the woman is out to get $$$ from me. she said she will keep the baby unless i give her RMb 100k.

this woman is mad! u shouldnt offer her anything!
deny 1st! deny its yours n demand she prove it! most likely she cant.
if she can, pay her what u can afford. if she say no, run road lor!

Sinoview
22-09-2005, 05:07 PM
Thanks bros' for all your advise , the woman is out to get $$$ from me. she said she will keep the baby unless i give her RMb 100k. offered 50K to settle the problem but she refused and only willing to accept that amount .........damn mad when i heard that and told her to do what she wants and i don't give a shit about it , not even sure if the baby is mine. too much problem with her.... any bro had same experience?

Wow ...you so fast give her an offer... I think u are too generous liao !!! Why should you ? I had such experiences ..haha ...and many times over....yes even involved PRC but none of them dare to demand money like yrs. I think she's all out to get your money and make no reservation abt it.....

In the first place, how u get involved with her ? is she a decent gal or WL ? Did you pay her for her service whenever u had sex ? or did u ever pay her at all ? How u assess her character ? Do u think u are her only man or she fark around too ? Do you do still have feel for her ? Frankly we also need to treat her fairly.....

Also, are u in position to play "hard ball" with her. How ll that affect yr job and you personally.

Analyse yr answers carefully....Then you can decide if you should play "Hard " with her not.....and how hard u can the game. ..

The best situation would be, if you pay her service..then you need not care anything whether she's keeping the bady or not. Bcos you are just another customer....Simple....

The difficult situation would be, if she's a non WL and she didnt take any money directly from you....then u have to assess how much the "8 mths" she spent wif you is worth ????

Whatever, she's all out for yr money now...period. For u...it's damaged control .

jon2000sg
22-09-2005, 08:04 PM
upon reading this, all I have to say is better be safe than sorry
next thing you know she'll wipe out your savings...

hcmanic
22-09-2005, 09:32 PM
Thanks bros' for all your advise , the woman is out to get $$$ from me. she said she will keep the baby unless i give her RMb 100k. offered 50K to settle the problem but she refused and only willing to accept that amount .........damn mad when i heard that and told her to do what she wants and i don't give a shit about it , not even sure if the baby is mine. too much problem with her.... any bro had same experience?

Well, you should be happy actually, at least you know her base card liao. Now easier to deal with the situation for you.

But as uncle sino says, you must now gauge how much info you know abt her and vice versa. If she is in no way going to jeopardize your career and family. Then you are 80% safe.

If you give her any money, she will definitely return to milk more....

junction88
23-09-2005, 08:19 PM
....she said she will keep the baby unless i give her RMb 100k. offered 50K to settle the problem but she refused and only willing to accept that amount ........

Wow bro, quite sticky problem...

Why would she want to keep the baby ? Force you to marry her ? Use that to threatening your job security or face value ? Even if she sold the baby on the black market at most can fetch 12k-20k Rmb (saw such program on CCTV)....or whatelse ????

In fact your 50K offered is too good already considered abortion cost less than 2K Rmb and within half-day op....don't even need to hosiptalised....

Mad ah...this gal....asking sky high......Anyway, others bros oredi give you some good advise as to how you should assesed her and to determined .... you need to decide fast.....if you passed the time frame to carry out abortion.....chiak lak liao.....more difficult to settle and not in your favour.....worst If you still in luv with her that drive you more difficult to decide.

If you have no feel for her, can bargain down to small sum would be good, control your negotiations, try not to agreed on the spot....check with others have similar situation at what amounts they settled as gauge.......

Cool down your thought....analysed.....planned.....prepared your move carefully...make up few options....if thing don't worked up...........play hiong abit......

take care...

jon2000sg
30-09-2005, 08:44 PM
any update?

davesome
02-10-2005, 03:06 AM
Hi, Not sure if this is a little off topic ...

I recently met a KTV WL in zhuhai while i was stationed in HK few month ago.
The feeling was so good that , now back in singapore, still in close contact through SMS.

I decided to take a week off end of oct to fly over to see her and she promise me to accompany me for entire week touring the mainland. We only met twice and both I paid her according to market rate + 15% tips.

I do not assume my trip is free but I suppose having a pretty, young SYT MM to go around is not free. How much do you think I should pay her ? I already told her I will compensate her but did not say how much. (Am thinking of 5-8K RMB for the 8 days stay)

Since I will be going back every 3 months for a week due to work, I am thinking of asking her to be my 二奶. Financially, what would it be like. She can still do her KTV staff except for the week that I will be there.

One more, how much is the fee for her to get a student pass to be here for study and how can I apply for her ?

thanks for the many off-topic question.

Obviously I had fall for her but I had already set out a small budget for this and as long as she did not go beyond what I intend to pay, it is ok.

ChinaAlleWay
02-10-2005, 11:57 AM
Hi, Not sure if this is a little off topic ...

Since I will be going back every 3 months for a week due to work, I am thinking of asking her to be my 二奶. Financially, what would it be like. She can still do her KTV staff except for the week that I will be there.

Obviously I had fall for her but I had already set out a small budget for this and as long as she did not go beyond what I intend to pay, it is ok.

Hey davesome
oh no... not again... the gals will not only drain you off your money but also Practically every little thing that you had...

I mean y every other guy fell for the tricks in the KTV ? :confused:

Anyway, Good luck !

Donaltalo31
02-10-2005, 12:58 PM
Hey davesome
oh no... not again... the gals will not only drain you off your money but also Practically every little thing that you had...

I mean y every other guy fell for the tricks in the KTV ? :confused:

Anyway, Good luck !

Not only that but if you can 'stand' her still working and sleeping with many men while you are back to Sg and from time to time drain off more money from you that you set aside to pay, then it's ok lor.

But then , isn't it better to "pay per visit" than to "bao"? At least PPV you know you are sharing with other men while "bao" meaning she works underground without you knowing.

luvgangsta
02-10-2005, 06:34 PM
For 8 days, you pay for lodging food and probably gifts. That is a free holiday for her too. Just a couple of k RMB will do.

2nd wife? Are you nuts? Better to cut it off. I have spent enough time in China and seen enough to know "No strings = no future issues". It is even crazier that you suggest you bring her to singapore. If you are set on doing that, all I can say is good luck bro.


Hi, Not sure if this is a little off topic ...
I do not assume my trip is free but I suppose having a pretty, young SYT MM to go around is not free. How much do you think I should pay her ? I already told her I will compensate her but did not say how much. (Am thinking of 5-8K RMB for the 8 days stay)

Since I will be going back every 3 months for a week due to work, I am thinking of asking her to be my 二奶. Financially, what would it be like. She can still do her KTV staff except for the week that I will be there.

One more, how much is the fee for her to get a student pass to be here for study and how can I apply for her ?

Huzige
02-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Davesome – was that your first trip to Zhuhai? Sure sounds like it and I sense all the ingredients for disaster if you are not careful. Please take a cold shower and digest what ChinaAlleWay, Donaltalo31 and luvgansta have said to save you all the potential heartaches. If you like her company – by all means, go back and see her again. However, to have her as “ErNai” and visiting her every 3 months is simply “Siao Eh!” And bringing her to Singapore on student pass is just creating another dynamite – don’t fool yourself by believing that the cost is only restricted to the cost of the student visa hor…

Aiyah – plenty more where they came from. After all, why buy cow when you can easily get all varieties of milk? To get over your “feeling” I would humbly suggest you arrange to visit the many towns in Dongguan – especially with Sinoview and the gang in CP – and I have no doubt they can show you 101 reasons (and more) why you should not restrict yourself to one MM.

As for taking a MM on vacation, many would go for free – but I think it is only fair to compensate them for “loss of income” – that would be the standard o/n charge and the “tang hua fei” if she sees red. But I would include what you spend on gift (many will take you shopping!) as part of the compensation package. Nevertheless, it is always prudent to set the “ground rules” (especially compensation package) before you go on the trip to save you from potential ugly scene – believe me, contrary to what they usually tell you their primary motivation is the RedMao RMBs. Not sure where you intent to visit with her – but unless it is somewhere isolated with no MM available, why bring coal to Newcastle?

Well Davesome, try to get a glimpse of the forest beyond the proverbial trees – you will probably like what you see. Only my 2 fens worth of opinion from an old fart. Good luck!

VBScripts
02-10-2005, 08:35 PM
Davesome – Aiyah – plenty more where they came from. After all, why buy cow when you can easily get all varieties of milk? To get over your “feeling” I would humbly suggest you arrange to visit the many towns in Dongguan – especially with Sinoview and the gang in CP – and I have no doubt they can show you 101 reasons (and more) why you should not restrict yourself to one MM.


Bro. Huzige, very well said........and

Bro. Davesome, sorry to say this.......Please wake up from your dream especially those gals from Zhuhai, Dongguan, ShenZhen and ChangPing....I sugguest you go through some other threads that talks about the PRCS and you would be probably understand more. Bro. Sinoview and the gang are now in CP if you are still in Zhuhai, try contacting them.

davesome
03-10-2005, 12:21 AM
To all brothers that have given me a very good reminder and advice. A very BIG THANK YOU.

I am aware of the trap because I fell for one before with a GL girl but I am taking a prudent step now to avoid the same situation.

The only feasible plan I had is to have a MM for a good week of tour in China, something I would like to do even if she is not available. In fact I found a few girls from net that provide such service at a charge 2-5k per day. So, I am actually paying for this week of fantasy and I am prepare to pay her up to 5k RMB as compensation, even if she did not mention anything yet. I am not dumb enough to assume that she do it for the sake of like to be with me and do not want anything in return. So, I am still considering this on pay per visit.
To be sure, I will bring only debit card with a specific amount of cash to be used.

No lah, I am not seriously thinking of er nai, just asking in case she may ask about these, so i want some benchmark in term of ‘cost’. I do not think I will initiate this. Worst case if I sense danger at the end of the trip, I have no choice and will cut the relationship. She only got my pre pay card H/P and I can stop this relationship any time I want.

Of course, the only danger is myself and I am reading this and other thread very regularly because there is a saying 当局者迷. I will use the useful reminder here as much as possible to remind myself whenever I got lost.

Yes, I certainly will still join other brother for cheonging if possible. Now, I just want to try something I like to but never had a chance before.

Thanks again

flyguy
03-10-2005, 01:36 PM
Hi, Not sure if this is a little off topic ...

I recently met a KTV WL in zhuhai while i was stationed in HK few month ago.
The feeling was so good that , now back in singapore, still in close contact through SMS.

I decided to take a week off end of oct to fly over to see her and she promise me to accompany me for entire week touring the mainland. We only met twice and both I paid her according to market rate + 15% tips.

I do not assume my trip is free but I suppose having a pretty, young SYT MM to go around is not free. How much do you think I should pay her ? I already told her I will compensate her but did not say how much. (Am thinking of 5-8K RMB for the 8 days stay)

Since I will be going back every 3 months for a week due to work, I am thinking of asking her to be my 二奶. Financially, what would it be like. She can still do her KTV staff except for the week that I will be there.

One more, how much is the fee for her to get a student pass to be here for study and how can I apply for her ?

thanks for the many off-topic question.

Obviously I had fall for her but I had already set out a small budget for this and as long as she did not go beyond what I intend to pay, it is ok.


hmmm....better do try and take a cold shower and not go any further with her and stay away from gals u meet at ktv joints. Why dont u meet or chat up normal working girls altho it takes some time but at least if u do fall or like prc girls at least these gals are better - so long as u do not take them out of china. Through my frequent stay in GZ, i did made 2 very nice prc gairls - one was working in the photo shop just around the hotel that i stayed at and as i do take a fair bit of pics n have them developed at her shop - managed to talk to her often then invited her out for coffee, then dinner, window shopping etc - and over next couple of mths became very close - but in fact after my 5 visit, i asked her to stay wif me at the hotel and was surprised tat she did (but without taking any change of clothes etc) but she just slept on the couch and kept me company for the next few days - but of course things worked out after tat. The other prc gal was working at the foot massage within the hotel and this was a decent joint as its a open concept and no hanky panky whatsoever - started by bluffing her this is my 2nd trip etc and didnt see much of the city then invited her out to MacDonalld's and then after a few dates over 2 months - she got close to me and been like a gf just like the girl from the photo shop. In this 2 cases, none of them asked for money or gifts - but of course i do give them just a bit whenever i leave and when i m there, treat them to better eateries etc. There are nice prc gals - but not those who u pick up from ktv, HCs etc.

jon2000sg
03-10-2005, 03:33 PM
bro flyguy is sure a smart one,
use the usual and normal 'sian' char bo to bonk!

ultimate !!!

davesome
04-10-2005, 12:22 AM
hmmm....better do try and take a cold shower and not go any further with her and stay away from gals u meet at ktv joints. Why dont u meet or chat up normal working girls altho it takes some time but at least if u do fall or like prc girls at least these gals are better - so long as u do not take them out of china. Through my frequent stay in GZ, i did made 2 very nice prc gairls - one was working in the photo shop just around the hotel that i stayed at and as i do take a fair bit of pics n have them developed at her shop - managed to talk to her often then invited her out for coffee, then dinner, window shopping etc - and over next couple of mths became very close - but in fact after my 5 visit, i asked her to stay wif me at the hotel and was surprised tat she did (but without taking any change of clothes etc) but she just slept on the couch and kept me company for the next few days - but of course things worked out after tat. The other prc gal was working at the foot massage within the hotel and this was a decent joint as its a open concept and no hanky panky whatsoever - started by bluffing her this is my 2nd trip etc and didnt see much of the city then invited her out to MacDonalld's and then after a few dates over 2 months - she got close to me and been like a gf just like the girl from the photo shop. In this 2 cases, none of them asked for money or gifts - but of course i do give them just a bit whenever i leave and when i m there, treat them to better eateries etc. There are nice prc gals - but not those who u pick up from ktv, HCs etc.

Many reason why I could not do the same like you.

Firstly, This is the first time I came to this region, I usually posted to Taiwan, Korea but this time I got to go over there for business. Unfortunately before I knew all these places (in fact my Taiwanese collegue brought me there for my farewell !!) I am going back .
Before this KTV WL, we spent 2 days in LHL and taking up girls of worst quality. Was attracted to a coffee bar girl, very decent, know what she want. but not willing to go out. Maybe with more days, there is chance but no I do not have the time and chance. Could not even get her H/P.....

Secondly, I am still aware that there is a transaction involved and this is why I will pay (only a matter of how much). If things really went bad, I will stop the engagement without feeling any bad feeling. But if things turn out bad for normal girl (assume she fall for me really..hehe, unlikely but possible) I will be very guilty coz I do not have an intention at this moment to go beyond such relationship and I do not want to hurt their feeling.

thanks

Mekatulia
04-10-2005, 08:32 AM
Dear Brudders of the forum,

Due to the specific topic of this thread, may I daringly make a few assumptions:
1. Most, if not all, who have the chance to cheong in China are those who combined their work with pleasure, high majority of us make use of our business/work trips to include our exploration.
2. Most, if not all, since who are able to be in a certain senior level of position in their company then will be presented this business/travelling opportunity.
3. Most, if not all, with reference to point 2, since a person is in a certain senior level of position, would be delegated a certain level of business decision making authority.
4. A majority will already have a family (wife and children) in their home country.

By having the above 3 assumtions, I would regard most brudders who frequent China, or even being presented the first chance to visit China as part of their business/working trip already have the logical thinking skills required of a person to make sound decisions (That's the main reason why your company would trust you and send you overseas right?). So therefore, when it comes to girls, please use the same whatever school of thought that your company or business unit has taught you to apply to the same situation when it comes to China MMs.

When we cheong, all it comes down to is basically we are just looking for a "release", and at best, a high level of satisfaction that comes with the "release", whether it is to boost our ego, to search for a long lost "feeling" of being in love, etc, all that I would just generalize all of that into just a fantasy!

I understand it sounds pretty mercenary and harsh, but if you strip the whole thing down to the bare bone, that's what it is! There is 1 cantonese saying, "Draw cartoons don't need to draw out the intestines." To apply to the situation with China MMs, it doesn't need to be explicitly stated, no matter how you present yourself, once the MMs know you are from overseas, a certain trigger will set off in their mind. Having said that, of course I would most definitely agree that NOT ALL girls will be out to fleece you, but the key point is, you wouldn't know right until it is probably too late. May I paraphrase George Burns once said, "After 20 minutes into a game of poker, and you still don't know who the patsy is, that means YOU are the patsy."

Perhaps you may look at it in a funny way of applying it is, after 20mins into "sianing" the girl and you still don't know what she wants, that means YOU are the "roberto" carrot.

Generally, I believe in treating anybody with respect and true sincerity, even with "working" girls, but the only way not to fall into traps is perhaps DON'T put yourself into that situation.

And may I quote someone whom I know once said, "有一点晕船的感觉就好,千万不要沉船。" - Just a little bit of seasickness is ok, don't capsize.

Sinoview
04-10-2005, 11:01 AM
[QUOTE=davesome]In fact I found a few girls from net that provide such service at a charge 2-5k per day. QUOTE]

That's quite a high a price to pay leh... for PRC standard... Those are for "luo
wai ".....Hee...hee...

They must be taking you as some kind of goondo "ang mo" .... paying USD for their services. Even u go any KTV in China...u can get a much better deal to fulfil your fantasy...Moreoever, you goto pick yr choice face to face..rather than looking at some "many yrs back " photo..

davesome
04-10-2005, 09:19 PM
You are right...yes sure..
.certainly we are all trying to be in this situation, only thing is how to prevent from capsize....haha..


thanx


Dear Brudders of the forum,


And may I quote someone whom I know once said, "有一点晕船的感觉就好,千万不要沉船。" - Just a little bit of seasickness is ok, don't capsize.

davesome
04-10-2005, 09:33 PM
Ya...I got 3 respond..
one of them write a lot of 感情staff and ask for USD 500 /day...
I just reply and said too high and stop replying to her anymore. She said for a few day can negotiate but I am not stupid. I only deal with RMB..

Another MM , very sweet only 20yr...After few exchange she said she cannot commit for 全陪, she can only do 伴游 for only 200RMB /day first and see later.

The other MM even nicer only want to 伴游 for only 200RMB.

Sino, I agree with you KTV is better but I am really thinking of a F&E tour not just for the bonk so is a little difficult to plan. Unfortunately , ZH , CP all these places not much to see ..I want to climb the Great wall, go to Xian....and so on.

Anyway, my deal may not go through (have some strange 预感) and if that is so, I may have to bother you in CP....
[QUOTE=davesome]In fact I found a few girls from net that provide such service at a charge 2-5k per day. QUOTE]

That's quite a high a price to pay leh... for PRC standard... Those are for "luo
wai ".....Hee...hee...

They must be taking you as some kind of goondo "ang mo" .... paying USD for their services. Even u go any KTV in China...u can get a much better deal to fulfil your fantasy...Moreoever, you goto pick yr choice face to face..rather than looking at some "many yrs back " photo..

Mekatulia
05-10-2005, 02:26 AM
one of them write a lot of 感情staff and ask for USD 500 /day...


And may I quote another phrase from my "old man", - Business is business, love is all bullshit. If she can state a price and quote you in USD somemore, she is lion opening the big mouth, she is not only treating you as a roberto, but also a big piece of tasty fat meat! The other girl that quoted you RMB 200/day, my assessment of the deal is not exactly any better. If the deal is just pure day companionship only, then what's the incentive in it for you to even consider it? I am assuming you will be paying for all their travelling expenses incurred, on top of that RMB 200 that is quoted to you. If I recall correctly, the last time I engage the services of a professional tour guide for 4 days, ran up to about RMB 300. And I was travelling in a group of 3 somemore. And if we really wanted to make a statement of poor service, we could have given the tip of RMB 200 only. So the average is RMB 50-80 a day.

Of all the things in China, you don't have to worry of not being able to find 1 girl to accompany you on any trip. With a population of over 1 billion, no matter how pessimistic you work out your odds, it is quite impossible not to be able to find 1 girl that suits whatever stringent criteria you set. Even if you choose 10 sigma instead of 6 for your quality control also no problem.

My most sincere suggestion to you is:

Go cheong more first!!!
In statistics term, increase your sample size to reduce your standard deviation error. In business term, expand your network and you will increase your chances of finding the girl/s that you can click well with, someone who can give you that little bit of seasickness feeling. By the way, not all "decent" girls are interested in visiting cultural/historical places of interest, and doesn't mean that girls working in KTV or BBS are not NOT interested in cultural/historical topics of discussion. If you want to go to these places and bring someone along, you would want good company, somebody you can engage in both oral and aural sex, or whatever that leads to high level of satisfaction and sex-tisfaction for both parties. Let's face it, as much as we enjoy making a good cultural/historical trip, after you have enriched your soul, I am sure you would like to engage in some "pillow talk" or night tuition classes, so as to reinforce whatever knowledge or inspiration you have transpired from your visit in the day right? To bluntly put it, after you have been awed by the magnificent sights of the Great Wall, you too also hear some "aww...ooh...ahh" narration from your guide right? You also definitely don't want to just bring the girl all the way to BJ or XiAn and then she go shopping and you alone go to the attractions? Defeat the purpose right?

If you know the girl under the special circumstances that it is going to be a business transaction, then the negotiation of the price becomes much transparent! You don't need to ask so much about how much is fair, you already got a benchmark! Say presumably, you got to know a girl from KTV, you know her overnight rates, so you work out your sums on how much you are willing to pay her for her time (compensate for her loss of income). OR if she is from BBS, same, you get a benchmark. From the questions you asked, you seem to be a fair person, that's why you are seeking info on what's the market rate, so use those as the market rate and no need to second guess. To me, that is also some form of protection mechanism, protect yourself from being chopped and you know what kind of a deal you are getting into.

To be honest, alot of the new generation Chinese, especially by defacto definition of "decent" girls, you will be very surprised that they hold pretty good jobs and they are financially quite well to do. If they treat you as a real friend, they have no problems forking out their own travelling expenses if they wish to join you in your travels. By the same assumption, if they treat you as real friends, then you might or might not be able to proceed further and the hard part of trying to second guess her intentions. Unless you enjoy this tedious process which might not reap any results, then by all means.

And if so happens that it's your lucky day that you strike lottery, you got to know a girl that you can click well, wants to travel to those places with you, forks out her own expenses, and both you mutually satisfy each other's physical needs with no strings attached, then is there a need to even consider how much compensation you want to pay her? :)

Mekatulia
05-10-2005, 02:35 AM
... I am really thinking of a F&E tour not just for the bonk so is a little difficult to plan. Unfortunately , ZH , CP all these places not much to see ..I want to climb the Great wall, go to Xian....and so on.
....

You should plan and priortise your itinerary. China is so big, in BJ itself, not just Great Wall is the main attraction you know? Forbidden City itself if you are really interested, you will at least need 2 days to really cover it properly. Great Wall as you know is so long, in BJ itself, there are many tours which runs to the more popular sites, maybe you will want to see the not so commercial sites to avoid the crowd and hassle.

If you like scenery, Yunnan is also another good place. 3 gorges damn, Sichuan, Xinjiang, Dunhuang, taking the silk route,... perhaps some of these you haven't really thought about yet.

jon2000sg
05-10-2005, 02:46 AM
after reading these postings, I realised there's so much to know from snr bros

Sinoview
05-10-2005, 07:46 AM
Sino, I agree with you KTV is better but I am really thinking of a F&E tour not just for the bonk so is a little difficult to plan. Unfortunately , ZH , CP all these places not much to see ..I want to climb the Great wall, go to Xian....and so on.

Anyway, my deal may not go through (have some strange 预感) and if that is so, I may have to bother you in CP....

Dont get me wrong... I 'm not discouraging you from going to climb the Great wall, go Xian look at the ancient city holding a young MM or love ones in yr hand..... it's something in most of us...I hv been there and done that....

What i am suggesting is that you could source that "companion" fm a KTV or any other entertainment joints...with all the "testings" done before u make the trip with her. That way you are almost "ganrantee" of the "Day n Night" fulfilment of yr fantansy which my young buddy Mekatulia is telling you about.... That way, you also get guage the fair amount u need to compensate her....

As a rule of thumb ....you compensate her day earning by the basis amount of what she ll make in her job. As for volume discount or incentive bonus, shopping expenses etc.. is depending on yr generousity and financial abilties...
No hard and fast rules...

As long as you are happy and within yr means...then it's fine...

Go enjoy .. .. yr life...we only live once...

Ronaldo
05-10-2005, 12:10 PM
...I hv been there and done that....



Very familiar lehz... this phrase... haha... :D

Ronaldo
05-10-2005, 12:23 PM
Bloody hell... Started work when everyone else is still on the Golden week break... Sighz.. so with my earphone plugged and MP3 playing, and notebook on... shall post some views..

I think Davesome belongs to this group of people who are just seeking company cos they are rather lonely. Old birds like Sinoview just wanna shoot and run... I think there is an increasing number of bros here who prefer GFE.

This group of ppl wont have the so called logical sense about money well spent nailed into them. Its always easy to correct someone else oversight but when it happen to us, as in being charmed, you really cannot control. Capsize or Seasick, somethings cannot be avoided.

Like i said in my earlier post, more often than not, we know what goes wrong or right but just refuse to face it. But in actual fact, is our wrong really a wrong? or what makes a right?

Advice here may make u look like a better man with several years experience dealing with these "crafty chicks". But I rememeber a old master in GZ telling me, People will only tell you about their success and rarely on their failure.

If these chicks are bold enough quote a high price, would you say they are smart or we are just plain ignorant. Then those boutiques selling high end stuff charging exhorbitant prices, why still people buy?

Paying for sex in KTV is like shopping in LV or Prada. Paying for sex in HC is like CK or Polo Raph. Paying sex at BBS is like at Giordano. Paying sex at roadside chicks.. Masar Malam lor.. hehe.. Looks the same but different packaging... We all want status mah.. thinking KTV girls are better...

So just do everything once, even if you are paying 10KRMB for a gold plated pussy, at least you have something to smile about next time you think about it. We all make mistakes dont we? Like McMuff mother said, Everything must try once hor...?

3 weeks to ORD... :eek:

jon2000sg
05-10-2005, 12:36 PM
Paying for sex in KTV is like shopping in LV or Prada.
Paying for sex in HC is like CK or Polo Raph.
Paying sex at BBS is like at Giordano.
Paying sex at roadside chicks.. Masar Malam lor.. hehe..
Looks the same but different packaging...
We all want status mah.. thinking KTV girls are better...

So just do everything once, even if you are paying 10KRMB for a gold plated pussy, at least you have something to smile about next time you think about it.

anyway, it's all the same, that pcs of abalone.
only in KTV, the girl can be bonk by not more than 3 men in a day,
that's why expensive.

roadside masar malam - one day up to 20 dicks can go in pussy
and pussy can become black !?

HC sex can be as bad as masar malam - 20 dicks can go into pussy,
only in a better facility environment.

what is BBS? pls enlight, thank you


.jon

Mekatulia
05-10-2005, 01:09 PM
... you really cannot control. Capsize or Seasick, somethings cannot be avoided.

Like i said in my earlier post, more often than not, we know what goes wrong or right but just refuse to face it. But in actual fact, is our wrong really a wrong? or what makes a right?

Advice here may make u look like a better man with several years experience dealing with these "crafty chicks". But I rememeber a old master in GZ telling me, People will only tell you about their success and rarely on their failure.
... Everything must try once hor...?

For those who have the ability and no qualms about paying whatever exhorbitant prices being charge, by all means! Whether they really get gold plated/diamond studded pussy or just an over inflated ego, whether they will reminisce about it with great satisfaction adn fondness, I am sure these group of people can justify whatever they are paying. Whether it is the same piece of cloth made in China just sewed with the LV or Prada label, to me it is exactly the same as the one piece of cloth sewed with a Giordano label, both probably came exactly from the same factory!

For those who have got no self control, knows that it is a trap and yet want to fall into it BUT thereafter bitch and moan about it, well, serves them right.

However, the going concern here, if this point hasn't been made clear is that - Some people can take the consequences, some cannot! There are genuinely some people who are in high positions, have family and kids, but are perhaps really that naive to think that the KTV girl or BBS girl will really fall for them!

I read from most of the examples and advice being discussed in this thread, with a mixture of success and failure stories, aimed at educating the group of the uninitiated. I think by no means are they bragging their claims of their successful stories only and left out all the failures. This thread is perhaps to educate these group of people who have got alot to lose if things turn bad, but they are too naive to see the trap.

Perhaps it is conscience or sense of moral obligation to create public awareness on this topic, therefore some of us here try so hard ( 苦口婆心 ) to talk some sense into people. It is not worth it to have your family wrecked just because of some silly mistake that can be avoided, or someone is just too thick headed, or blinded to see the both sides of the coin.

After all, it is just all a fantasy! We have to separate our real life from the bright lights, pretty decor fantasy.

ChinaAlleWay
05-10-2005, 01:23 PM
Bloody hell... Started work when everyone else is still on the Golden week break... Sighz.. so with my earphone plugged and MP3 playing, and notebook on... shall post some views..

I think Davesome belongs to this group of people who are just seeking company cos they are rather lonely. Old birds like Sinoview just wanna shoot and run... I think there is an increasing number of bros here who prefer GFE.

This group of ppl wont have the so called logical sense about money well spent nailed into them. Its always easy to correct someone else oversight but when it happen to us, as in being charmed, you really cannot control. Capsize or Seasick, somethings cannot be avoided.
Like i said in my earlier post, more often than not, we know what goes wrong or right but just refuse to face it. But in actual fact, is our wrong really a wrong? or what makes a right?

Advice here may make u look like a better man with several years experience dealing with these "crafty chicks". But I rememeber a old master in GZ telling me, People will only tell you about their success and rarely on their failure.


3 weeks to ORD... :eek:

Ahhh... the young master had spoken! BEWARE!!! And be very Afraid!! :D

Well, sometimes ppl know that they are going to bury themselves in a trap, why these ppl cont burying themselves.... is that logic or somehow ironic?

And sometimes we have the wise Jedi master advising us the traps and hole’s.. but why we still continued to be fooled?

Actually, its da same every where, its just that SGP 1 is to 5 RMB. Its cheap for some of the dudes out there !

Getting windy nowadays…

And I think 3 months to ord ? haha….

Brdgs
ChinaAlldaway…

davesome
05-10-2005, 02:11 PM
(What i am suggesting is that you could source that "companion" fm a KTV or any other entertainment joints...with all the "testings" done before u make the trip with her. That way you are almost "ganrantee" of the "Day n Night" fulfilment of yr fantansy which my young buddy Mekatulia is telling you about.... That way, you also get guage the fair amount u need to compensate her....)

Hi Bro Sino and Mekatulia,

This is exactly my intention. I met this girl in KTV, spent a very good night with her on bed and click well. I did not pay her above market rate and she is still very nice to me.
Maybe I should source for more but since I am comfortable with her and she agree, I thought well, let's go.

However, I am aware that these WL may change their mind in the last minute when there are better deal...(or real BF call). So, I am sourcing for back up plan coz I suppose it is too late to come to ZH or CP to source again for a suitable girl on the same trip, no time to plan for the trip. On the hind sight I may have to sample more to have more choice ...well it's a 50-50 case.
Worst, cancel the trip lor.....

Anyway, ignore what other thing I asked except the benchmark cost involved. I have no intention to bring her here or got trap by her I am sorry if my irrelevent question cause such a stir. I have roughly work out a 600RMB/day charges based on what I gather and I think this is fair to her.

Oh ya, Bro Mekatulia, do not worry, I have done a very thorough planning on the itenary. 4 days in BJ, 1 day in Hang Zhou , 1 day in SuZhou and 2 days in Shanghai. It is better than chanbrother 9 days package !!!hehe.

I have another even better , 4day in BJ, 2 day in Xian than take the train dwon through Kai fong, Luo Yang and so so going towards Shanghai but too long, need 11 days. So I take the first.

anyway thanks hor...

VBScripts
05-10-2005, 02:13 PM
And sometimes we have the wise Jedi master advising us the traps and hole’s.. but why we still continued to be fooled? Actually, its da same every where, its just that SGP 1 is to 5 RMB. Its cheap for some of the dudes out there !

Is a matter of time once they have learned through mistake and get hurted they will feel the pinched and become smarter I hope....... :D

davesome
05-10-2005, 02:33 PM
OK.. I will make my last writing on this subject before it gone too big hor.

Actually, it is not that the KTV are better but I think they are more experience to make you feel better. Since I do not have time to slowly source for the best deal, go the the places where you can find what you want. Cannot do this is Singapore coz, Too expensive and must be back home before 11pm !!!!! In singpore I only go GL coz call the OKT make a booking, go down bonk and go. So can only do KTV when oversea of-course will go there first if given a choice.

Ofcourse I am lonely Eventhough I have a family but I cannot say beyond this coz 家家有本难念的经.

Are these all trap ? Depend on what you define as trap. I have a budget to cater for such activity and so long as it did not go beyond this, I only consider this as a poor transaction. Whether is this the best deal or should there be better choice, I think this is very individual. The forum give us (or people like me that cheong aone - coz no choice) the opportunity to sample all possible choice but we still have to decide what is best for you.

I am very sentimental person. When I engage a WL, I prefer to treat her with all my care and respect even if I paid her. I never expect them to fall for me for whatever nice small little thign to them. If they treat me later on as friend , I am glad if they totally ignore me after failing to extract more than what I am willing to give, let it be. However, I always make one thing very clear to them. i.e I have a family eventhough not a good one but I will not promise anything more than just part time lover.

Ya....before I forget, I think not just the PRC MM , the GL WL (thai and GL150) is the same. don't you think ?

bye

Ronaldo
05-10-2005, 03:19 PM
Ahhh... the young master had spoken! BEWARE!!! And be very Afraid!! :D


And I think 3 months to ord ? haha….

Brdgs
ChinaAlldaway…

Arlow... Suan me mehz.. hehe.. Actually I also belong to this group of people lahz... Sometimes we like the girl, pay her a few hundred more, we song.. then you hear ppl say.. "ehz.. you pay too much lahz.. spoil market.. kanna conned.."
Sometimes its the feel lor...

You feel good.. pay 10K also like that... but if u dont like it.. FREE also dont want...

Anyway.. ORD is end of this month hor.. then next chapter shall unfold...

Donaltalo31
05-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Arlow... Suan me mehz.. hehe.. Actually I also belong to this group of people lahz... Sometimes we like the girl, pay her a few hundred more, we song.. then you hear ppl say.. "ehz.. you pay too much lahz.. spoil market.. kanna conned.."
Sometimes its the feel lor...

You feel good.. pay 10K also like that... but if u dont like it.. FREE also dont want...

Anyway.. ORD is end of this month hor.. then next chapter shall unfold...

Sometimes uncle scold us is for our own good but hor, after he scolded us for spoiling the mkt, he himself spoil the mkt when he took the same gal the next day. Haiz.... what a world it became.

happy ORD and good luck

Donaltalo31
05-10-2005, 07:51 PM
I am very sentimental person. When I engage a WL, I prefer to treat her with all my care and respect even if I paid her. I never expect them to fall for me for whatever nice small little thign to them. If they treat me later on as friend , I am glad if they totally ignore me after failing to extract more than what I am willing to give, let it be. However, I always make one thing very clear to them. i.e I have a family eventhough not a good one but I will not promise anything more than just part time lover.



Arlow, if you first time makan china mm then i wish you good luck. Esp you are sentimental and sometimes when we are young, we just cannot let go after our stint with her. haiz, been there done that.

Sinoview
05-10-2005, 07:57 PM
Arlow... Suan me mehz.. hehe.. Actually I also belong to this group of people lahz... Sometimes we like the girl, pay her a few hundred more, we song.. then you hear ppl say.. "ehz.. you pay too much lahz.. spoil market.. kanna conned.."
Sometimes its the feel lor...

You feel good.. pay 10K also like that... but if u dont like it.. FREE also dont want...

Anyway.. ORD is end of this month hor.. then next chapter shall unfold...


You pay more meh...we all know is the other way round...you pay some and the MM pay you back much more in returns.....Especially those in yr home base. hee...hee....

So when is yr big party ??? Can i suggest 15 Oct ...Is that ok for you ??? We all know u got many loose ends to handle.....before yr ROD.

Sinoview
06-10-2005, 07:37 AM
Sometimes uncle scold us is for our own good but hor, after he scolded us for spoiling the mkt, he himself spoil the mkt when he took the same gal the next day. Haiz.... what a world it became.

happy ORD and good luck

Aiyo.... Sometime, paying extra is ok one. If we get extra ordinary service than it's rightful we reward accordingly mah otherwise what ll motivated them to do more than the norms. I reware accordingly after the job done.

Having said that, we also need to know the market rates and blur blur pay them in $$$ instead of the rmb price mah....

Life is short...like our bro APSX motto's we only live once let's live to the fullest....

apsx
06-10-2005, 07:58 AM
Life is short...like our bro APSX motto's we only live once let's live to the fullest....
AHEM...when did that phrase became my motto?? Thought it's yours... :D

Ronaldo
06-10-2005, 10:08 AM
and sometimes when we are young, we just cannot let go after our stint with her. haiz, been there done that.

You young mehz? hehehe...

Hmm.. this BTDT very commonly used now ahz... haha.. last thecock was zapped for posting this.. hehe

Ronaldo
06-10-2005, 10:09 AM
So when is yr big party ??? Can i suggest 15 Oct ...Is that ok for you ??? We all know u got many loose ends to handle.....before yr ROD.

Hmm.. maybe I will be in Beijing lehz.. not sure yet.. anyway.. will keep you informed... oh ya.. the loose ends? all tied liaoz.. except 2.. haha :D

Sinoview
06-10-2005, 05:02 PM
AHEM...when did that phrase became my motto?? Thought it's yours... :D

Hello bro, what was yr Signature statement ?? in English...before the Chinese ones. Doesnt that have similar meaning....

Cheers

somebody99
06-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Are these all trap ? Depend on what you define as trap. I have a budget to cater for such activity and so long as it did not go beyond this, I only consider this as a poor transaction. Whether is this the best deal or should there be better choice, I think this is very individual. The forum give us (or people like me that cheong aone - coz no choice) the opportunity to sample all possible choice but we still have to decide what is best for you.

I am very sentimental person. When I engage a WL, I prefer to treat her with all my care and respect even if I paid her. I never expect them to fall for me for whatever nice small little thign to them. If they treat me later on as friend , I am glad if they totally ignore me after failing to extract more than what I am willing to give, let it be.

Ya....before I forget, I think not just the PRC MM , the GL WL (thai and GL150) is the same. don't you think ?
bye

actually, i quite agreed with what this bro said, i m also the KC
(kam cheng 感 情) type, some bros should know, hehehe....
hor uncle sino hor?
sintheguy also, hor bro sintheguy hor?
our legendary KC bird bro frankie also, hor bro frankie hor?

some bros i knew bother to buy small little gifts & bring over to the gals there, juz to let those gals know that someone from somewhere still care about them. some also give them $$$ to go back home, let them study etc...
so nice of him... (u-shld-know-who-u-are)

for me i gave extra money to a mm to let her buy the sleeping seat on the train when she wants to go back home. i tried b4 the sitting tickets, but the journey was like a nitemare! i juz need 2 spend maybe less than S$50 & can let them have a more comfortable 20 ++ hrs journey back home, i got nothing to lose right? actually it's all from the heart lah, do whatever u think it's comfortable for u lah.

as for watever traps or crabs, it's like wat this chinese phrase says:

姜太公钓鱼-----愿者上钩。

rgds,

VBScripts
06-10-2005, 08:10 PM
for me i gave extra money to a mm to let her buy the sleeping seat on the train when she wants to go back home. i tried b4 the sitting tickets, but the journey was like a nitemare! i juz need 2 spend maybe less than S$50 & can let them have a more comfortable 20 ++ hrs journey back home, i got nothing to lose right? actually it's all from the heart lah, do whatever u think it's comfortable for u lah.

hee hee Bro. KS, you are right lar, hor...... :D so long as it is within your means (limits) it shd be OK hor......sometime a gift in kind to show some concern can enhances relationship hor, and the return can be more than double. Been there and done that to my darling in Chengdu......kekekeke

apsx
06-10-2005, 10:22 PM
Hello bro, what was yr Signature statement ?? in English...before the Chinese ones. Doesnt that have similar meaning....

Cheers
lemme recall....the one before this was also in chinese leh.... :confused: But anyway its doesn't matter lah...cos almost all signatures had the same meaning...

Donaltalo31
06-10-2005, 10:27 PM
Aiyo.... Sometime, paying extra is ok one. If we get extra ordinary service than it's rightful we reward accordingly mah otherwise what ll motivated them to do more than the norms. I reware accordingly after the job done.

Having said that, we also need to know the market rates and blur blur pay them in $$$ instead of the rmb price mah....

Life is short...like our bro APSX motto's we only live once let's live to the fullest....

arlow, i am all for tipping for good service hor, but hor someone say one thing and do another hor... hor ronaldo hor...

Donaltalo31
06-10-2005, 10:34 PM
Hmm.. maybe I will be in Beijing lehz.. not sure yet.. anyway.. will keep you informed... oh ya.. the loose ends? all tied liaoz.. except 2.. haha :D

Beijing, when? maybe can meet there wor.... going with nurse or 106?

let me know...

as for the BTDT, the cock uses font similar to his size and people envy him and zapped him, me small font ok lah

hcmanic
06-10-2005, 10:46 PM
lemme recall....the one before this was also in chinese leh.... :confused: But anyway its doesn't matter lah...cos almost all signatures had the same meaning...

halo bro Macd, when free for dinner, I buy you... lai lai

hcmanic
06-10-2005, 10:49 PM
lemme recall....the one before this was also in chinese leh.... :confused: But anyway its doesn't matter lah...cos almost all signatures had the same meaning...

After that we go Tuberose and go sianz your asst mummy gf.... lai lai lai ah
i want lollipop in KTV room like bro Stano but must bring own listerine... hahahahha

apsx
07-10-2005, 08:21 AM
halo bro Macd, when free for dinner, I buy you... lai lai
Basically Im free loh...see when u wanna it loh...u busy man leh....hehe
After that we go Tuberose and go sianz your asst mummy gf.... lai lai lai ah
i want lollipop in KTV room like bro Stano but must bring own listerine... hahahahha
That place not Tuberose lah and Im not so sure whether she still working there onot...gotta ask first...but first thing first,when is the dinner??

McMuff
07-10-2005, 11:17 AM
1. Most, if not all, who have the chance to cheong in China are those who combined their work with pleasure, high majority of us make use of our business/work trips to include our exploration.
2. Most, if not all, since who are able to be in a certain senior level of position in their company then will be presented this business/travelling opportunity.
3. Most, if not all, with reference to point 2, since a person is in a certain senior level of position, would be delegated a certain level of business decision making authority.
4. A majority will already have a family (wife and children) in their home country.
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bro Meka - this is a fucking solid piece of writing. i couldn agree more.

McMuff
07-10-2005, 11:40 AM
Life is short...like our bro APSX motto's we only live once let's live to the fullest....

bro APSX's motto is actually: live life to the fullest, do it RAW for more sensation :D

since i am also quite free i shall also contribute my worth. those who are new to the cheong scene will in evitably have a lot of emotions running wild and experience states of confusion. i have been through that stage before and am now in the transition stage of being neither too inexperienced nor as seasoned as bro sino, hcmanic, ronaldo and apsx. from their words of wisdom you can gather that when you cheong more you will know how to seperate the pleasure of the flesh from the matters of the heart.

err....so bros. when is next session.

Bigcock Ronaldo i think i will come look for you before you ORD. when is good?

zhu star
07-10-2005, 02:15 PM
Hello everyone:

Want to share my view on PRC MM. For four years, in the course of my work as a purchasing agent representing a major MNC company in sg, I used to visit North-East and Southern part of China on a very regular basis, which is about once every 2 months and each time staying about 1 to 2 weeks. Due to my position as a customer I was virtually 'force' to attend KTV session every nite by my China suppliers so much so that I used the word 'kidnap'. During these visits as expected I got to know many MM thru work or thru entertainment centre. The gers I got to know there come from big cities to small villages.

Like other bros who has spent time there, I too have a fair share of bad experience. I found that Southern gers are much more cunning than their Northern comrades. They will think of all ways to part your cash to them using reasons that has been mentioned many times in these threads. They are also very good lairs, so good that I was conned the first time there. The usual tactic like treating me as their bf, get offended when I wanted to paid her when I first bonk her at my hotel etc etc...... It was my good fortune that my HKee counterpart manages to get me off the hook.

The only exception that I have is with one very attractive Northern ger. She has really treated me very well every time I am there. Every time I visit her, she will automatically role herself as my wife, cooking and feeding me, washing and ironing my clothing down to taking care of me when I am sick there. Until today she has never ask a single cents from me. It was me who help her secretly when I found out accidentally that her parent need cash for hospitalisation. I paid these fees directly to the hospital w/o her knowledge. In fact to test her sincerety, I offered her many times to fly her over to sg and help her to look for a job here. Her reaction was that there is no way she going to come over and create havoc with my married life, adding that if I do like her, all she ask for is to visit her whenever I am in China. She prefer to survive on her 400RMB pay with her mother rather than depend on me. I told her why must she work for a misrable salary of 400RMB while I can easily sent her a min. of 1K RMB a month to her w/o making a dent in my pocket. Her reasoning is that although the pay is low, but she earn it herself, if she is going to depend on me then she going to be very lazy. Needless to say, I love and treasure the time I have with her.

Frankly, I dun blame any of these gers that tries to make a fast one out of us cos alot of times it take 2 hands to clap. Also alot of these gers do really have geninue problems back home and the only way to solved it is to used such tactic. In fact these tactics is used by all WL in third world countries. As one who has both Viet and PRC gf I can swear that they use the same methods.

My point of view is that, yes PRC MM or matter of fact all WL may really love you deeply but they also need your cash to support them. Unless you really intend to marry them, the simplest way to avoid such problems is to pay what them the market rates whenever you engage their services. Most important, do not be a bloody Kapo and start asking about their families................ a sure fire way of getting yourself in deep shit trouble.

jon2000sg
07-10-2005, 02:24 PM
MMs are out to make money !?
We are out to make love ?!

betweenus21
07-10-2005, 04:58 PM
guess most prcs are out 2 look 4 money - but during my fairly often visits to GZ and occassion with fellow sammy bro "flyguy" we do meet some as would classify as "decent" office or working girls ie salesgirls, hotel front staff, restaurant hostesses etc. In fact we do know of 2 very nice girls who in fact we would like to intoduce to those who are very much single and would seek a possible life partnership with them. The downside is that they are of fairly humble education and are not as "smart or fast" and do hate to say it - but one of them is rather dumb as she is also hails from a village abt 9 hrs drive from guangzhou. But by their mannerisms, character etc - they do make good house persons.

jon2000sg
08-10-2005, 01:15 AM
meaning suitable to keep at home to raise kids?

Ronaldo
08-10-2005, 11:41 AM
. Been there and done that to my darling in Chengdu......kekekeke
:D Copyright lehz.. hehehe... :D

Ronaldo
08-10-2005, 11:43 AM
... hor ronaldo hor...

Err... sorry for being sensitive.. are you saying ME? hahaha... :eek:

Ronaldo
08-10-2005, 12:18 PM
err....so bros. when is next session.

Bigcock Ronaldo i think i will come look for you before you ORD. when is good?

Hmm.. Next session ehz? After your work in GZ lor.. haha... :D

hcmanic
08-10-2005, 06:48 PM
Basically Im free loh...see when u wanna it loh...u busy man leh....hehe

That place not Tuberose lah and Im not so sure whether she still working there onot...gotta ask first...but first thing first,when is the dinner??

call you next monday to tie down when dinner cum KTV. Not tuberose you say lor... i will follow you..... i ill follow you where you may goooooooo...

hcmanic
08-10-2005, 06:50 PM
i have been through that stage before and am now in the transition stage of being neither too inexperienced nor as seasoned as bro sino, hcmanic, ronaldo and apsx. from their words of wisdom you can gather that when you cheong more you will know how to seperate the pleasure of the flesh from the matters of the heart.

err....so bros. when is next session.

Bigcock Ronaldo i think i will come look for you before you ORD. when is good?

Meaning your transistional stage during the HK goose dinner period??? hahahaha

next session, end of oct can? Stano, Vax, Trip, APSX onz boh?

suckerll
12-10-2005, 08:11 AM
the poor are taken care of by government.
i beg to differ on this, the poor here also have to fend for themselves, just that sg is too small so need alot of courage to do FL :o

Huzige
26-01-2006, 01:24 PM
i got a friend who is working there he is about 35 year old been post there for about only 1 year during the one year he meet a ok looking girl (still schooling i think in U ) they date for about 9mth my friend is the type not the chong type like us so when the time is up for him to be back he ask if the want to go but with him the girl say ok buy we will get marry 1st without any baby so they happily got marry here in singapore a very grand weeding the girl also did not ask him for any money for the girl family sound very good right to all of us who know him was so happy for him that he found a good prc girl as she was still schooling she tell my friend that she want to get a mba or whatever so my friend say ok since schooling is a good thing my friend paid for all the money she need she even buy her a car is think in the 3 year he spent about 100+ k the last part of the story come after getting her mba or whatever on the day that she comple her mba he ask my friend are u free the next day my friend ask y she told him let us go for a divorce my friend her y she say i areally got what i wanted so it time my friend was lost for word now wherever he see a prc man or girl he will not care are they going to die or are they have not eaten for 5 day and he still tell go fuck off so this is a most scared thing is seen about traps & scams SO I WILL NEVER TRUST A PRC IN MY LIFE AGAIN

The above appears in another thread, but I think it is appropriate to quote it to resurrect another thread I started months ago as a gentle reminder to fellow cheongsters to avoid getting into a situation that they might regret later. Indeed, as noted by Uncle Sino, with the CP gong-tau going so strong we noticed some already showing tell-tale signs of “cracking up” with undesirable thoughts like going to visit the MM at her village over the lunar new year, responding to MMs’ requests for financial help because she cannot possibly go home during the festive season without a big AngPow for her parents since that would be a big lost of face for her – after all, she works in the big city…

Brudder Pay99 – sorry to hear about what happened to your friend – that was a cruel and mercenary act to say the least. But to be fair, I don’t think you should brand all PRC to be so mercenary and scheming – it can happen anywhere, and I have witness similar cases in other countries. Moreover, it can happen to a local PRC too – like it happened to a friend of mine. This friend, an ex-colleague when we were both working for a US MNC is a Beijing native, and one of the earlier employees of a SOE who ventured out on his own and made lots of money, still single in his 30s when he met a 21yo SYT who just graduated from a university in Shanghai – yes, she was a real beauty and I was even envious. They got married and she convinced him to send her to US to further her studies. My ex-colleague has also been visiting US frequently since many of his principals are US-based, and readily agreed to his wife’s request. However, she – yes, you guessed it – divorced my friend as soon as she got her master degree, and married a ABC almost immediately since she wanted to stay on in US and the ABC got more to offer to her – good luck to him! I guess we just have to be mindful and tough luck if we meet a good actress.

I will end this by quoting myself when I started this thread:


Last words of humble advice from an old fart – just remember: “Business is business, love is all BULLSHIT.” Play hard, but remember the 5-Fs: “Find Them, Feel Them, Finger Them, Fcuk Them, but most importantly Forget Them.” I know I sound like a mercenary – but then again, I presume SB forumers go there for good bonks, right? Otherwise, they should just stay home.

Have fun – but just leave your cums and not your heart behind – especially if you have a family back home! Like what my Taiwanese friends always said: “可以昏船,千万不可沉船” (it is okay to feel sea sick, but make sure your boat does not sink!)

Here’s wishing all of you – many I have met over the last couple of years from this forum – a very happy, prosperous,healthy and a woofing great Year Of Dog. Let me guess – the doggie will be the favorite position in the New Year?

jon2000sg
26-01-2006, 01:28 PM
i beg to differ on this, the poor here also have to fend for themselves, just that sg is too small so need alot of courage to do FL :oSG girls do FL overseas not locally but I did meet a few they do it here which is rather stupid, you may meet your school friends???

goderos
16-02-2006, 09:13 PM
this is a good thread with many good reads. it's scary but true. i too have heard all the bs this girls can spit out. not just MM-PRC but Thai, Cambo, Viet etc..etc... , It's true some people are just out for themselves. But the truth is it happens in our own back yard. Sing, M'sian, US, Canadian girls, many are the same. Just with different packages. My last GF robed me blind. And she wasn't a PRC-MM. AND she never serviced me as good as the MM's. LOL! There are b**hches everywhere. So beware!!
For many of them this is their option that they know. This is the best way for them to get what they want. They BS and con you. They will even form pact with others to get what they want. Regardless of the packaging some girls are just hunters. They may come in different packaging. Some flashy and some shy in demeanor. Just like us guys that like to fish and get our freebies. My ex used people and manipulated everthing to fit her scheme. It involved so many people and events. Much more sophisticated than any of this PRC will ever be able to conceive, LOL. Anyways, it's my two cents. thanks.
beware of wolf in sheeps clothing.

c_s_c_s
27-02-2006, 02:36 PM
typically, I try to go out w/ PRC mms with known backgrounds. Either I know their family, the company they work for, or have common professional/social friends that I trust.

I was w/ this 24 YO PRC mm that wanted to stay for free in my apt in BJ and claimed that she got kicked out of her old apt..etc etc. But net net, I think I had more profits and wins than losses. And because the only way to surivive is not to trust, hence it's close to impossible to have any meaningful relationship w/ PRCs. Anyone have different experience? Love to hear a story that actually worked out!

c_s_c_s
27-02-2006, 02:36 PM
typically, I try to go out w/ PRC mms with known backgrounds. Either I know their family, the company they work for, or have common professional/social friends that I trust.

I was w/ this 24 YO PRC mm that wanted to stay for free in my apt in BJ and claimed that she got kicked out of her old apt..etc etc. But net net, I think I had more profits and wins than losses. And because the only way to surivive is not to trust, hence it's close to impossible to have any meaningful relationship w/ PRCs. Anyone have different experience? Love to hear a story that actually worked out!

c_s_c_s
27-02-2006, 02:36 PM
typically, I try to go out w/ PRC mms with known backgrounds. Either I know their family, the company they work for, or have common professional/social friends that I trust.

I was w/ this 24 YO PRC mm that wanted to stay for free in my apt in BJ and claimed that she got kicked out of her old apt..etc etc. But net net, I think I had more profits and wins than losses. And because the only way to surivive is not to trust, hence it's close to impossible to have any meaningful relationship w/ PRCs. Anyone have different experience? Love to hear a story that actually worked out!

Sinoview
28-02-2006, 12:32 PM
typically, I try to go out w/ PRC mms with known backgrounds. Either I know their family, the company they work for, or have common professional/social friends that I trust.

I was w/ this 24 YO PRC mm that wanted to stay for free in my apt in BJ and claimed that she got kicked out of her old apt..etc etc. But net net, I think I had more profits and wins than losses. And because the only way to surivive is not to trust, hence it's close to impossible to have any meaningful relationship w/ PRCs. Anyone have different experience? Love to hear a story that actually worked out!

To be cautious is a good thing....but you sounded too paranoid to be able to live a normal live set aside a happy one.

Many people, young and old likewise, never woke up from their sleep. Does that means you should not go to sleep ?

Human beings are individuals and should be treated like one be it PRC or otherwise....

Just relax and you ll be a happier man.

Sperminator
20-02-2008, 04:56 AM
Dear Brudders,

I am acting as an unofficial Ambassador of CHINA for CHINA Adventurers.

As I was going through some nice threads, I chanced upon a thread started by HUZIGE.

It's about be careful while chionging...

As you all know, our hearts are made of flesh... if we are not careful, feelings would be developed while chionging... and that's the beginning of major problems.

I am sure many bros out there would associate the pain and mental torture that it have given to them.

Why don't any brudders out there share with us their experience.

All your experience shared would serve as a good reference guide...

HAPPY SHARING...

pakpak2001
23-02-2008, 10:23 PM
she can 'sweet talk' me, saying that i m the 'exclusive' ones....and other customers want to bring her to hotel, she told them off,
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Bro, wehn the prc chicks tell me this, I return the 'compliments' by syaing that
- she's the only exclusive one i look for;
- i have never look at her as a working girl;
- i have feeling for sex only when i am with her

pakpak2001
23-02-2008, 10:28 PM
That's may be strange to Sporean n Malaysian but if you know the Chinese well enough you ll know that they ll not cut routes completely ones....

They ll somehow maintain a link so that can turn it on whenever they want. 留个後路. They are doing it for themselves.... So long as see you to be "useful" someday......

They will like to send u an SMS on festive season like CNY, yr brithday, Valentine day, mid autumn moon cake festival, dumpling day, even their National day etc.... These are just excuses to stay in touch....for future use of YOU..... Hee...hee.....
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What u say is true
I totally agree with u, bro
Some Singapore men get very touched when the MM in China send them such SMS
Then they allow their small head to over-rule their big head
Then they start flying to Zhuhai, Shenzhen, Xiamen etc etc
Then they strt to remit money money money
Tehn their trouble start

pakpak2001
23-02-2008, 10:36 PM
wau lau, you'd better run, the kid might not be yours!
I've been close to 4 PRC women and all they want is $money$,
the kid could be her lover's. better be wise than sorry.
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I told a chick off - 'limpeh actually impotent, so cannot give birth'

justl00king
24-02-2008, 12:08 AM
WL is here for the $.

So if no $ involved, maybe got chance it's true love.

Other than that, BEWARE!!! :D

Just have your fun and not take things too seriously. :)